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[Vyndree]

Vynd, so you are able to fly around Northrend zones with your 5/10 box setup on 280% (or 310%) mounts no problem, right? I just want to make sure there are a few multiboxers who can.

My alts are on the slow mounts (rerolled -- priest/warlock).

Suvega is on epics (280%), -- he already added his thoughts above. Ellay I think just got his epic flyers too.

I think with the epic mounts though, it's not a case of the characters DISAPPEARING (I turn around and they're still there), but that any amount of lag -- phased or not -- can mean your epic flyer just took their 280% movement too far ahead to /follow. The phasing isn't TECHNICALLY "lag" but it's the same effect -- it takes a moment to load the "new" zone. I know Suvega lost characters all the time in BC if there was even a moment of lag (hence the riding crops on all but the main).

That being said, we're on the west coast and our server datacenter is east coast (central timezone server time, who'da thunk it), so we do have slightly higher latency compared to others.

[Ellay]

I am able to fly around fine in normal non phase areas. You'll easily recognize the areas that phase and cause you to lose auto follow, and be prepared for it.
Particular areas that have this phasing is the top left of Dragonblight near Icecrown where the quest event goes on. Multiple Areas in Icecrown and Storm Peaks. They made dynamic content and this is one of the trade offs of it.

[pinotnoir]

ARGGG! I did 1 quest more on my main at The Shadowvault. Now I have to do it on the rest or you cant see my main when flying over the area. I cant stress enough to make sure all your guys do the same quest. If you dont they will be in different phases.

[algol]

They made dynamic content and this is one of the trade offs of it.

Yup. I'm interested enough in having a more complex world to put up with the occasional inconvenience, especially when so far they're relatively easy to address.

Now that a few 310% mounts are relatively accessible (not EASY, but better than getting an arena drake or the phoenix drop), it would be nice to have 1x280 followed by 4x310. Should solve a few issues.

[Xar]

Just a note about the follow breaking. Mashing follow constanly will not keep them together. Once they past the phase line your main vanishes and only reappears when you move your followers into his phase.

You simply stop the main, hit forward arrow on the followers (please bind a key for them, it's always useful) then hit follow, and continue on. On my setup this is costing me about 5 seconds per time. Out of 5 zones I have quested in so far, I only had phasing occur in the fog in Borean Tundra, so unless all of Ice Crown is a giant phasing zone, I'm kind of lost about why this is affecting people so badly.

It may take only take 5 seconds on each crossover through a phased line but the frustration it causes is what is pushing me closer and closer to quit WoW entirely. I'll give it a fair couple of months to fix something like this but they really need to have a buffer when entering a phased zone so that follow doesn't break. What's "fun" about having to manually push your toons into a phased zone where it used to work flawlessly before? I pay and play wow to have fun, nothing more. If it continues I'll just stop giving them my money and wait for Kotor mmo and never buy another Blizzard product again. F them for the RAF bait and switch and I never even participated, I started mboxing way before RAF. Thank Arthas I never invested in hardware to hardware box which I wanted to eventually do. They had a great thing going and it was fun and and had no reservations about paying my multiple subs, now it's like 10% of the fun to me. I'll give them some time but clock is ticking...

[Xar]

Wee time for the senial ole' boxers points of view (tm!)

1) IMO this QQ I'm quitting post can be summarized as follows "OMG IT'S NOT EASY ANYMORE, I HAVE TO WORK AND I DUN LIKE IT, QQ QUITTING". You then deny this in a follow-up post, but provide no change to your reasons for quitting (That other classes can counter your once uber setup). You played an overpowered combination in BC. Face it, shamans were uber easy, which is why 80% of the population on this website is here. They saw ellay owning shit in arenas and decided "I WUNT OVER POWERD TOO!!", figuring that multiboxing = easy win. For a while this was true (read: BC), now that it is not all super easy and requires work I expect a few of these people to QQuit(tm!)


2) Epic mounts + phasing = evil. When crossing phasing boundries characters first fade out, and then re-appear after the game determines that you all should be in teh same "phase". On epic mounts this time is more then enough to get your main about 60 -100 yards ahead (breaking follow). It normally requires a long arrow pressforward to get everyone into the right zone, then going back and picking up your alts.

I totally deny it!


I get owned good sometimes in wintergrasp now, especially by vehicles and tenacity on the other side but I'm adapting and find ways to help that keep me away or behind vehicles, still having fun there. My main problem is that simple things like follow and such are *broken* in some places making it very non-fun to do. I pay to have fun, nothing more. I have no delusions that I should hit 80 and immediately start owning heroics but when I can *easily* clear normal utk at 71 and not be able to take down the final boss because of stupid aoe design of the fight...that's not fun anymore. He does so much aoe damage that it should have been heroic. Just seems most final bosses are way overtuned compared to the trash and sub-bosses. I've healed them in a regular group on my priest and it's usually ok but I hope you know what I mean. I'm not even that upset about the dungeon final bosses, I'm more aggravated by the incredible amount of collection quests, vehicles, phasing and broken following than anything else and other solo boxers who don't multibox at all agree with me. I'm not even looking forward to them on my solo toons, I'm really not.

[pjdell]

heh, yeah, multiboxing is as much a trick of avoiding inappropriate content as anything. I think WotLK hammers that home with a big, big hammer though, so am not surprised at someone measuring how worth the trouble multiboxing is compared to the payoff, and declining. I can imagine myself making the same judgement, if I weren't also silly for re-rolling every fourteen and a half minutes anyway. That reminds me, I still haven't tried RFK with a fury Warrior, two arcane mages, a shadow priest, and a resto shaman! Be right back!

I lold at your last comment there.

Anyone who is having trouble deciding what to do... I haven't been in the situation myself... but i would suggest moving down to 2 or 3 boxing. Obviously you can't solo heroics, buttt

you don't need to look for very many people to do one. You can still get geared.

I've come to the decision that it is probably very very very hard to get a good Arena rating running 5s, but with the intimacy you get with each character when 2 or 3 boxing, i presume it is possible.

Collection quests are easier with only 2 or 3 characters.

When leveling 3 characters you kill stuff instantly, when leveling 5 characters you kill stuff instantly, the difference between instant and instant is nothing.

I think 2 boxing is best, i tried 4 boxing but just thought it was too much. When 2 boxing ( i do rogues and hunters atm) with the experience so far, you almost don't need as much key broadcasting. On my rogues i really play a lot of each of the characters, it makes stunlocking simple. Hunters are the same way, i don't broadcast every key because i can switch screens quick enough to just play that other character when i need to. And back again.


Still haven't figured out the solution to freaking vehicles.... so far i have just posted on forums about getting it changed, since following in a vehicle really is no different from following on a mount, or on foot

[crebble]

well it isnt that bad with the zones tbh. as soon as you learn were they are its a cake.
levelin via quests gives you atleast 1,25 lvls a day so no bigger problem there. i tried via instas in the beginning and almost went nuts since i could wipe on the thrash pulls, so that kinda sucks...
strand of the ancients may fuck up a little for boxers too since when you get to attack youre much likely to get your chars split up between the ships.

the are going to fix the elementals and are also fixin dps scaling =)

what sucks is that heroic badges will be much harder to get AND they havent released the new pvp gear yet =/

/stick

[Fef]

QQuit(tm!)

Funny.

[TheBigBB]

Just a note about the follow breaking. Mashing follow constanly will not keep them together. Once they past the phase line your main vanishes and only reappears when you move your followers into his phase.

You simply stop the main, hit forward arrow on the followers (please bind a key for them, it's always useful) then hit follow, and continue on. On my setup this is costing me about 5 seconds per time. Out of 5 zones I have quested in so far, I only had phasing occur in the fog in Borean Tundra, so unless all of Ice Crown is a giant phasing zone, I'm kind of lost about why this is affecting people so badly.

It may take only take 5 seconds on each crossover through a phased line but the frustration it causes is what is pushing me closer and closer to quit WoW entirely. I'll give it a fair couple of months to fix something like this but they really need to have a buffer when entering a phased zone so that follow doesn't break. What's "fun" about having to manually push your toons into a phased zone where it used to work flawlessly before? I pay and play wow to have fun, nothing more. If it continues I'll just stop giving them my money and wait for Kotor mmo and never buy another Blizzard product again. F them for the RAF bait and switch and I never even participated, I started mboxing way before RAF. Thank Arthas I never invested in hardware to hardware box which I wanted to eventually do. They had a great thing going and it was fun and and had no reservations about paying my multiple subs, now it's like 10% of the fun to me. I'll give them some time but clock is ticking...

You're flaming Blizzard for "RAF bait and switch"? RAF was NOT designed for multiboxers and was never advertised as such. It was put into the game to get people to get their friends up to par for the expansion. There's nothing about this game which is designed with multiboxers in mind. A person who multiboxes as the norm is very, very rare. Blaming Blizzard for your purchases is beyond mind-boggling. If you weren't prepared for there to be boxer-unfriendly content, that's your mistake, not Blizzard's.