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[mmcookies]

should've taken it eajy

[jettzypher]

if you rush through everything and continuously try to overachieve with every login, then yes, its gonna get boring quick. some people need to learn to spread things out a bit. besides, we're only at about 50% of total content for wrath. so relax, enjoy farming dailies, rep, mats, and badges until newer stuff comes out.

[Sam DeathWalker]

One thing that is 100pecent certain; they didnt do anything on purpose to make it harder to box, someone came up with this phasing stuffs (whatever it is) and they thought it would be a positive addition.

I can see for sure that I am having less and less plans to do any quests. I just need to find some good aoe spots.

Also its been obvious since before I even played the game that you need a tank ...

Just think about it. If you could do challenging content without a tank then who would ever invite a tank class into a guild or group. So they have to make content that requires tanks ... We are very lucky that there is a healing class that does decent dps, you dont get that in EQ.

[Tdog]

1. Everyone and their brother is in some pretty crappy gear at this point as it's just barely the begining of the Xpac.

2. Multiboxing takes Paitence. It takes time to get your group all geared up, macros/scripts/keybindings setup, and experience to know how to handle your followers.

3. Jumping straight into Heroics the moment you hit 80 in nothing more than quest greens/blues is a bad idea whether you're boxing or not.

4. Multiboxing IS NOT for everyone! and there is nothing wrong with that. TBH there's been several times I thought about just saying forget it, especially when I'm frustrated by content. However I just keep a positive attitude, practice my encounters more, gear up more if necessary, and eventually I make progression.

[pinotnoir]

Just a note about the follow breaking. Mashing follow constanly will not keep them together. Once they past the phase line your main vanishes and only reappears when you move your followers into his phase. Otherwise you can mash follow all day. You will get unknown unit as an error on your screen. I feel your pain with the content and the phasing. Trying to get in raids as a boxer is tough. You either have to do a tank 3 dps and healer or just bring 3 guys at a time. Right now I am gearing up pve but I fear arena is going to be a joke for us. With all the new skills in the game it's going to be very hard to get high ratings without some form of cheating.

I think multiboxings golden age is over with BC. Once you start getting gripped over for insta gib and then knocked all over boxers will be crying the blues. To make matters worse the new bg's use vehicles which makes our 5 man groups a pain in the butt. If you try to play like foot soldiers in the bg you get blown to hell by vehicles. Others can say what they want, but I think blizzard listen to all the bitching about us and designed some stuff to make boxing a pain in the ass. My biggest regret is not doing my pally with 4 shaman. People were saying oh 5 shaman are find in wotlk for instances. It's going to take a bunch of gear to clear heroics with 5 shaman. Bosses with 400k health that hit like a truck will not go down easy. Elementals are weak sauce.

I really dont look forward to leveling my other team now. I know all the collection quest will need to be done again. On top of the collections you must finish the quest chains to unlock towns, flight points, and daily quest. It's cool for solo but painful to us. It would be much better if they allowed collection drops group lootable when they drop. Having to do 1 at a time is really retarded for a mmorpg. If they want us to socialize and group for stuff why make it harder for us to quest. Its not like solos cant kill the mobs in 2 or 3 seconds too. Well enjoy your 1 account. The world of grind craft is wearing thin on me too.

[puppychow]

i am only 77 and don't feel like playing more than 1-2 hours a day anymore, spent most of the thanksgiving week just logging in, doing a quick few dalaran dailies (cooking, JC, etc) and logging out. I have no idea how people with multiple teams are ever going to level everyone to 80, or someone like Sam Deathwalker (lol!) Doing it just once in a 5x team is kinda painful and sometimes painful w/ the unlock/collection quests, I have logged in a few times on my mage and just run him solo and its a lot more fun and a heckuva lot faster.

having said that i think wotlk is a lot of fun, and they have really increased depth and breadth. some stuff is painful for mb'ers, but I hope they will fix a lot of it - more aimed at making things easier for regular people, like follow vehicles, collection quests dropping items for everyone in party, etc. but it'll be months if not years before that, so no love for us for now.

it is a bit frustrating seeing a ton of other people having cleared all raids, all heroics, 8/8 new t7 gear, etc but I just kinda learned to ignore it and plod along doing my own thing. I doubt PVP will be any fun for me at all, just gonna play until PVE is boring then cancel my subs until the next big patch/expansion.

[TheBigBB]

I get the feeling that a lot of people were very spoiled by BC - not necessarily because it was any easier - but because by the end they had nerfed it to hell and back, and because the shaman teams had some special mechanics that fit multiboxing. It's not like in BC you would just pick any 5 guys, slap them through the content, and then profit. You had to have a boxer friendly setup, which in BC basically meant that you had to have shamans. Other teams were still fun, but not able to dominate in all areas. Now the shaman teams are more even with the other teams, and suddenly this is the apocalypse. Now it takes a whole couple weeks to 80, and this is an unacceptable grind. Now you're not sure you can have a high rating playing with your old team, and this is the end of multiboxing. I seriously sat there last week leveling 3 new guys with the few RAF I have left just to replace a healer in my B-team. That's just the way it is. I'm not going to make excuses when my team hits 10 mans.

You guys need to be patient, and you need to have realistic goals. I'm 10 boxing to do raiding, but I'm not even expecting I will clear freaking Naxx before the next expansion. I'm just being realistic here. Boxing is not supposed to be easier. It's the same game designed for 5 or 10 or 25 individuals working together. You're kidding yourself if you thought you were ever somehow more useful than 5 solo players of equal skill level to you.

In 20 months maybe WOTLK content will be trivial and maybe it'll be nerfed like BC was. For now, we just got the game. Be patient and try to remember a time when Magtheridon was considered extremely difficult, and paladin tanks were considered strange.

As for PVP, it damn well ought to be a huge accomplishment to dominate teams of individuals by yourself.

[TheBigBB]

Just a note about the follow breaking. Mashing follow constanly will not keep them together. Once they past the phase line your main vanishes and only reappears when you move your followers into his phase.

You simply stop the main, hit forward arrow on the followers (please bind a key for them, it's always useful) then hit follow, and continue on. On my setup this is costing me about 5 seconds per time. Out of 5 zones I have quested in so far, I only had phasing occur in the fog in Borean Tundra, so unless all of Ice Crown is a giant phasing zone, I'm kind of lost about why this is affecting people so badly.

[bigp3rm]

You will be back.

[Ken]

[...]
You are just not enjoying the game for whatever reason, but it's certainly not the game's fault.

I know this wasn't directed to me, but it applies to me in a way, so:
WoW has always been a grind fest, you can't deny that. The best proof for me is that there are those few quests that stick out and give you the feeling of "Woah, this was great and funny!". I had this with the arena quests in Nagrand, with the big Maghar quest chain, the Netherwing quest chain, the one where you transform in a box and have to spy on a conversation, etc.
Most people don't even read the quest text nor follow the WoW storyline. That says a lot about how Blizzard fails at making the game really interesting.

So yes, I do think it's the game's fault. Or at least the designers' fault, becaue they have proven that they can deliver better.

There has always been content that's more difficult for multiboxers to do. There have always been a lot of collection quests that multiboxers avoid.

The problem is that most quests now are item collection quests(at least up to level 75, where I am now). Often it's not even a 100% drop chance. How boring is that? You don't even need gamedesigners for this ... give me a few hours and I'll write you an application that randomly generates thousands of those.

The solution to the phasing is extremely simple and doesn't affect anything but a slight lengthening of manual travel times.

Agreed.

[edit] Oh and I meant questing in general, not questing for multiboxers.