Could 5 boxing shaman heroics be over?

[pinotnoir]

It may be too early but I am very concerned that doing heroics with 5 shaman will not be easy as bc. All the more reason to level my pally to 80 once my shamans make it there. I HATE leveling :cursing:

[Zappy]

I'm thinking the same thing. Maybe L80 gear will be the entire difference, but after struggling on the last boss in the Nexus and seeing how hard the first boss in Ahn'kahet: The Old Kingdom hits, I can't imagine how hard these guys will hit @ 80 heroics. I'm hoping that some instances will still be doable, as if I even have 1 or 2 heroics that I can farm daily for badges / orbs, I'll be happy.

By the looks of things so far, i'll be either forced to have my 5s partner (resto druid) start farming tank gear, and probably level my paladin (70) as well.

[Gares]

Anyway I look at this I am leveling my pally and 5th shaman to 80.

[Schwarz]

I was really scared of this when earth elementals stayed at level 70. I do think it is too early to say either way. There might be some gearing up to do before you jump successfully into heroics.

I am not much of a historian but when the first 5 shaman team showed up did anyone think they could do heroics?

edit: If it does work out that you need a tank. Well you only have to go 25 levels with a death knight. I haven't installed wotlk yet so I have no personal experience with it. I watch the videos of fuzzyboy and I see myself thinking I want to drop a shaman for a tank. But this isn't the way I want to play. I am dropping a shaman for a mage b/c the group of people I plan on doing 10 mans with decided it would be a good thing.

Why were shaman effective in heroics before?
1) Good Burst (still think we have this)
2) Surviability (we hit like a mage and wear a shield come on)
3) buffs

[algol]

History lesson for you: The first five man team showed up WITH a video of heroic clears.

There was no theorycrafting. There was no disscussion. There was this guy (xbox I think?) that posted a video and said "look what I did".

And THAT is why it's much easier to get grant funding as an experimentalist than as a theoretical physicist.

"Hi I found awesome new particle! Grants plz?"

[Schwarz]

If you look at xbox's videos he/she kites alot of stuff. Alot more things than I ever do. Also the gear level was significantly lower than what most people were achieving.

Even if 1tank 4 dps are clearing heroics before 5dps groups doesn't mean that 5 dps won't ever be able to do it. Given enough time to try out strats and figure stuff out they will eventually figure it out.

[Dominian]

well looking on lvl 70 heroics mobs/bosses just hit harder while they dont realy have THAT much more hp..

5 shamans will have 5 hexes.

Remember the new rep tabards wich means you dont realy need to be able to clear ALL heroics.

[suprafro]

I haven't done 80 Heroics yet so I can't comment, but from experience so far normal mode instances 70-80 have been easier then 60-70 (thanks to our new 3.0 powers). I could clear UK/Nexus with far more ease and speed at 71-72 then I could ever clear slavepens/UB at 63-64 (pre 3.0) for example, nova stuns and TS have made all trash pulls trivial... adding hex at 80...yeah, I believe HM trash at 80 will be a complete joke with our new arsenal. That just leaves the bosses, based on what ive done so far and looking at their HM hitpoints I don't think most of them will be a big deal but thats just my theorcrafting opinion at this point, if you just want some badges everyday from 5mans im sure theres going to be a set of joke bosses to farm

[Niley]

You got to remember :

1.Hex
2.premades on murmur in blue pvp gear had 17k hp unbuffed

It should be doable by 5 dps team.

[ss2]

I've only done heroic utgard and the first boss in nexus, but I felt like saying, godspeed to tankless groups who try the last boss in heroic utgard. His regular attacks hit my paladin for ~4k vs 28k armor plus some other attack of his hits for 12-15k..