What is up with wrath plate stats

[wizofid]

I was looking through gear lists on wowhead for drops, quest items and instance items and at least for the first few levels there is almost no prot pally gear that i can find. One nice breastplate in Howling Fjord is about it. All the plate seems to be +crit + haste +stam. No +defense, +dodge, +parry. In other words it looks like warrior gear mostly. I had heard a rumor that cruishing blows don't exist in wrath, so you don't need all the avoidance... maybe that is what this is about. But personally I like my pally being tough as nails with lots of blocks, parries and dodges and if I replaced all my curent plate items with what I am seeing I would not be a very good tank.

I have also noticed that ele shaman gear seems to be very haste and crit heavy also, with no +int. But I have not researched that shamen gear as thoroughly yet.

My team is nearing 67 and I was thinking of jumping to wrath at 68 and bang out all the starting quests and improve my gear a lot, then jump into the instance at 70. I assume that at 68 even with poorish gear a 5 man team can steamroll quests in both starting areas right?

[Drakkun]

You should check out all the blacksmithing gear. There are several sets you can make like spell power, melee dps, and tanking. I plan to outfit my tanks from mostly crafted gear.

[Drizzit]

My team is nearing 67 and I was thinking of jumping to wrath at 68 and bang out all the starting quests and improve my gear a lot, then jump into the instance at 70. I assume that at 68 even with poorish gear a 5 man team can steamroll quests in both starting areas right?

You can steamroll quests at 68 without a problem i bet, but the thing is that the new land is filled with people... that is why a lot of us boxers are just instant grinding for the first few lvls. I would say don't touch the new land quests until after the weekend. After the weekend most of the people will probably be out of the starting arena. But then again after the weekend might even start another wave, a wave of death knights. Sense they start at 55, people will probably have them at lvl 70 by the end of the weekend so now you have to compete against them, but i don't think those will be as bad.

[wizofid]

You should check out all the blacksmithing gear. There are several sets you can make like spell power, melee dps, and tanking. I plan to outfit my tanks from mostly crafted gear.

My team is pretty new, only a few weeks and I have no professions on them. Do I have to be a blacksmith to use the crafted gear?

[Drizzit]

I was looking through gear lists on wowhead for drops, quest items and instance items and at least for the first few levels there is almost no prot pally gear that i can find.

Go read the 3.0 patch notes again. You're missing a key point of the new 51 point talent trees.

Paladins USE WARRIOR GEAR NOW. Stamina = Spell Power. Blessing of Sanc = NO DONT NEED INT.

I heard that pallies keep better agro with a dps weapon instead of a +spell damage weapon... is this true?

[wizofid]

I am seeing a nice crafted defense set starting at 74:

http://www.wowhead.com/?search=tempered+saronite



Looks like I will just be able to buy them from crafters.

[TheBigBB]

I've been questing like normal. It's easier for a boxer to quest for non-collection because of the rate at which you can kill. You're always ready to pull another mob should it respawn. And yes, the plate quest rewards are disappointing. Tons of stamina, though.

[Bigfish]

I was looking through gear lists on wowhead for drops, quest items and instance items and at least for the first few levels there is almost no prot pally gear that i can find.

Go read the 3.0 patch notes again. You're missing a key point of the new 51 point talent trees.

Paladins USE WARRIOR GEAR NOW. Stamina = Spell Power. Blessing of Sanc = NO DONT NEED INT.

I heard that pallies keep better agro with a dps weapon instead of a +spell damage weapon... is this true?

I hear this is the case, but honestly, I don't see how our melee DPs really factors in to our threat generation, unless our tanking seals were modified to balance AP and Spell power to provide near equivalent benefits. Right now I'm in the spell power gladiator set, and I'm wondering why the hell I would start dropping spell power for Strength.

Now, granted, maybe this is what I SHOULD be doing, but I haven't sat down and looked at TPS generation for paladins since 3.0. If anyone wants to run the numbers, that would help.

[TheBigBB]

I was looking through gear lists on wowhead for drops, quest items and instance items and at least for the first few levels there is almost no prot pally gear that i can find.

Go read the 3.0 patch notes again. You're missing a key point of the new 51 point talent trees.

Paladins USE WARRIOR GEAR NOW. Stamina = Spell Power. Blessing of Sanc = NO DONT NEED INT.

I heard that pallies keep better agro with a dps weapon instead of a +spell damage weapon... is this true?

I hear this is the case, but honestly, I don't see how our melee DPs really factors in to our threat generation, unless our tanking seals were modified to balance AP and Spell power to provide near equivalent benefits. Right now I'm in the spell power gladiator set, and I'm wondering why the hell I would start dropping spell power for Strength.

Now, granted, maybe this is what I SHOULD be doing, but I haven't sat down and looked at TPS generation for paladins since 3.0. If anyone wants to run the numbers, that would help.

It's all about that 51-point prot talent. The damage on that skill is absolutely monstrous with a hard-hitting weapon, and it's very mana efficient to use. The threat you gain from one hit on that thing with a nasty slow 1H makes up for any loss of spell damage.

[Bigfish]

It's all about that 51-point prot talent. The damage on that skill is absolutely monstrous with a hard-hitting weapon, and it's very mana efficient to use. The threat you gain from one hit on that thing with a nasty slow 1H makes up for any loss of spell damage.

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.