ugh, silverlight...

[mmcookies]

How the hell did this get here?

Wasn't it a reply to a post that used silverlight?

[Harem]

gui's are for pansies.

heh

Doesn't WoW use a gui? Didn't think you could play from command line alone. :0

[algol]

WTF are you talking about. A) sivlerlight is not uncommon. B) L2windows update.

Silverlight is only "not uncommon" because Windows likes to set itself back to unattended "install everything" mode, and most people aren't technically competent to judge what they should and shouldn't install anyway. Learn to not install everything Microsoft shoves down the pipe, with their track record it's actually a pretty dumb idea.

Also, who uses that stuff anyway? It's just another me-too web scripting platform that requires user-side installation. Whoop-de-doo. Intelligent web design means you usually want to stick to things most people will have - the only thing going for Silverlight is that a large number of users had it shoved down their throats by Windows Update automatic-if-you-like-it-or-not mode without knowing they were even having it added to their system. Very few people aware of what Silverlight is want anything to do with it, even aside from any stability or security issues.

And yes...it also follows the Microsoft-centric philosophy instead of the "web" philosophy. If it needs more marks against it.

[Schwarz]

Went and installed silverlight. Loaded up the site. First off Suvega let me thank you for compiling this information. But no thank you for making me install a program i don't need. I figured loading a program there would be some slick gui with all kinds of wiz bang things going on. This is a text list. Not sure why Silverlight installation was needed.

[Turenn]

OMG!! The man makes a guide for FREE and all you can bitch about is the silverlight. Jesus christ people grow the fuck up and just say thank you.


Thanks Suvega.

[Frosty]

WTF are you talking about. A) sivlerlight is not uncommon. B) L2windows update.

Silverlight is only "not uncommon" because Windows likes to set itself back to unattended "install everything" mode, and most people aren't technically competent to judge what they should and shouldn't install anyway. Learn to not install everything Microsoft shoves down the pipe, with their track record it's actually a pretty dumb idea.

Also, who uses that stuff anyway? It's just another me-too web scripting platform that requires user-side installation. Whoop-de-doo. Intelligent web design means you usually want to stick to things most people will have - the only thing going for Silverlight is that a large number of users had it shoved down their throats by Windows Update automatic-if-you-like-it-or-not mode without knowing they were even having it added to their system. Very few people aware of what Silverlight is want anything to do with it, even aside from any stability or security issues.

And yes...it also follows the Microsoft-centric philosophy instead of the "web" philosophy. If it needs more marks against it.

I'm guessing you missed the part where it was said:

I think Suvega's primary concern is to protect his hard work. HTML can be as simple as copy/paste. He's giving it out for free but alot of times people abuse the word "free" and start charging for their copy/paste job and profiting off of his hours putting this together on the beta.

Well, that and he already purchased Expression Suite.


I know he was considering doing this in .pdf form, but Adobe products cost more for us to purchase licenses for than MS products. :P

It's free..don't like it?..don't use it!

[Sarduci]

gui's are for pansies.

*currently RDP'd into a Windows 2008 Core install*

What gui? [img]../forum/images/smilies/cool.png[/img]

[Sarduci]

Silverlight is only "not uncommon" because Windows likes to set itself back to unattended "install everything" mode, and most people aren't technically competent to judge what they should and shouldn't install anyway.

That's odd, out of my 20+ Microsoft systems I manage here on my VM server none of them have Silverlight on them other than the one station that I went and installed it out of my own prompting.

Maybe L2Configure?

BTW: Most people are not technically competent to take care of themselves medically, but we still let people buy medication over the counter. I could say the same thing about cars, pets, painting, drywalling, using power tools (do they even come with instructions???), setting up a home theater system, running a phone line, paying their taxes, or a multitude of other things. I'd hate to live in a world where people who manufacture something are not allowed to configure it to be safer "out-of-the-box" for the average user who won't understand everything than leave it up to getting a professional to do it for you.

[Vyndree]

I agree -- until Suvega had his guide, I didn't visit any websites that needed Silverlight, so I never installed it. I only just installed silverlight yesterday, in fact. I opened the page and it prompted me with a "Install Silverlight" button. Nothing shady or pushy.

I have straight-out-of-the-box Vista on 4 of my "alt" computers (and XP on my shuttle PC) and don't do any fussing with it. None of them have Silverlight auto-installed, and they are all using Windows Update.



I believe (though I could be mistaken -- I don't work in the Windows group) that Windows Update only installs either major security issues (already present on your system) or patches for products that you have already installed on your system. Although, if you manually poked and prodded Windows Update to do more than that, I'd imagine you could make it auto-install optional patches, or perhaps even products, too -- but I've never really felt the need to stray from the default.

[algol]

That's odd, out of my 20+ Microsoft systems I manage here on my VM server none of them have Silverlight on them other than the one station that I went and installed it out of my own prompting.

I'm confused. Are you agreeing with me, or trying to somehow argue that you're incompetent and don't know how to manage your systems? I would assume that if you don't have it installed, it's not because it's odd - it's because you told it not to.

As to the copy/paste issue - if it's in clear text, it's almost trivial to feed it into an OCR program. Doesn't even need retyping. You can protect information, or make it available. You can very rarely do both, and forcing the use of Silverlight to view plain text makes no sense to me at all.

Also confused over some people saying/implying it's pushed through Windows Update (starting with Suvega) and others saying it isn't. I don't see how both can be true.