Has Warden Gone Too Far? I think so. Warden = Rootkit

[shivetya]

Talk about over reaction.

First, just exactly what could they take off their system that would give them any more information about you that you did not voluntarily give up when you registered your accounts?

Second, they already tell you what they are looking for.

Third, the registry worries are unfounded because just by loading certain windows DLLs the registry gets read. That would be outside of their control.

Fourth, you don't have to play the game. Quit.

Fifth, you probably gave up more information just buying the hardware and software to support your addiction.


If anything, that tinfoil hat twit did what he wanted, got lots of hits on his page and made some money off of it. Twisting words and insinuating threat is a great way to stir up the ignorant.

Hell I bet many of the people bitching about what Warden does don't practice good computer security in the first place (not aimed necessarily at people here).

[Wilbur]

You have no clue what they are doing to protect us from potential malicious code and are making assumptions that there are no safeguards in place to prevent it.

I don't think anyone realistically believes this is even a possibility. Blizzard have shown in the past that they are highly responsible, hell, GM's can't even create items without having someone else authorise it. Its not as if they'd apply a diffrent "unsecure" method to one of the most integral core aspects of WoW.

This is why these posts are pointless.. There are about 3-4 people outside of Blizzard that really know anything about Warden and they only know the client portion. There is no reason to post these "OMG THEY ARE STEALING INFORMATIONS!!!" threads to worry people about things they don't need to.

/me sighs
The problem is not that Blizzard is stealing info, spying on us, whatever. The problem is that there is the potential to do so. As such this also sets a precedent for other companies. Blizzard will probably never do anything to harm or mislead users, thats not to say the next lot won't.

As far as people not knowing "jack shit" about what goes on serverside, thats very true, we only have the client-side info. But then again, people made emulated servers using only stuff that was "located client-side". The only diffrence being is that the emulated servers are not 1/100th as complicated as the live servers, what with all the auditing and security procedures set in place.

Not to mention this isn't the first time Xzin has posted something unrelated to multi-boxing in the general forums that has turned into an opinionated flame fest. Please move this shit out of here.

Its a general forum. Its highly related to WoW. Noone is forcing you to click on the link to this post. If you don't like whats being said either don't bother reading anymore or just STFU. A lot of people will think that this is a highly important discussion, others won't give a shit, its not for you to decide what WE can and can't talk about.

[Wilbur]

Talk about over reaction.

First, just exactly what could they take off their system that would give them any more information about you that you did not voluntarily give up when you registered your accounts?

You miss the point. Entirely.

If anything, that tinfoil hat twit did what he wanted, got lots of hits on his page and made some money off of it. Twisting words and insinuating threat is a great way to stir up the ignorant.

Its a great way yes, a better way would be to post detailing several of the scans, giving examples and demonstrating what could potentially be injected into Warden.

[Texic]

This is why these posts are retarded.. Its just become people arguing over essentially nothing.

And for the record this is a general forum about dual-boxing and this post doesn't fit that.

[shivetya]

here is something to be more afraid of (from another forum)


Not making this up. In an official statement from Seagate themselves, they admit that there was malicious code released on a certain line of hard drives that actually attempts to steal account information from a select few set of games World of Warcraft being one of them, and sending the data to an actual server in China.

CHECK YOUR RECENT HARD DRIVE PURCHASES!!


Official statement (some links were taken out of this article. If you have one of these hard drives, visit the site and they can provide you with downloads to rid your hardware of malicious code):

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/sup...rage/ps3200-sw

[shivetya]

One single person will not be able to "hax0r Warden" Blizzard will have X layers of protection surrounding warden and its distribution. What concerns me is the precedent this sets for companies. It gives off a certain moral ambiguity which is what really concerns me. Blizzards distinct lack of honesty about the subject is also extremely worrying. Whilst they do have a right to protect their property, they also have a duty to protect their users.

Precedent? Blizzard isn't even the first game company to scan you for malicious programs. Hell at least Blizzard does their best to scan for keyloggers.

If it REALLY CONCERNS YOU then quit.

Damn, as I posted elsewhere you give up more personal information just buying stuff at the store on on the net.

Your trash can is probably more threatening to you than anything a game company can come up with.

They are providing a service. If you don't like the rules and such that come with it go elsewhere. It is just that easy

[Texic]

here is something to be more afraid of (from another forum)


Not making this up. In an official statement from Seagate themselves, they admit that there was malicious code released on a certain line of hard drives that actually attempts to steal account information from a select few set of games World of Warcraft being one of them, and sending the data to an actual server in China.

CHECK YOUR RECENT HARD DRIVE PURCHASES!!


Official statement (some links were taken out of this article. If you have one of these hard drives, visit the site and they can provide you with downloads to rid your hardware of malicious code):

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/sup...rage/ps3200-sw

The chinese are out to get us.

[Wilbur]

FFS. Blizzard are however the first ones to attempt to covertly scan, hiding and hashing everything. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. This is the point I am trying to get across.

As for it being a General forum, yes, well done, its not exclusively about dual-boxing, its about multi-boxing and all things WoW, or would you care to be more anal about that?

[Texic]

FFS. Blizzard are however the first ones to attempt to covertly scan, hiding and hashing everything. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. This is the point I am trying to get across.

As for it being a General forum, yes, well done, its not exclusively about dual-boxing, its about multi-boxing and all things WoW, or would you care to be more anal about that?

This is still a worthless thread so yes.

[Shogun]

And for the record this is a general forum about dual-boxing and this post doesn't fit that.

For the record, the thread was started by one of the forum admins/moderators, and someone who contributes alot to these forums and the community, this forum is essentially for whatever they say it's for. This post fits that.