Do you think Shaman DPS is low because of us?

[Tsunami]

for 1v1 elemental shaman has above avg. survivability. as a solo player elemental shaman dps is where it should be.

where the class suffers is in groups, where shaman buffs help other party members more than their buffs help the elemental. in boss fights, the shaman's spell rotation is not as fluid as other classes that is why ele shaman lose the dps race. And if the elemental throws in a heal or two than it goes down even more.

with the changes in other ranged dps classes there is even less reason to include ele shaman.

multiboxers do better in bg's than arenas. the chaos in BG's and the target ratio is multibox nirvana.

a well grouped and organized arena team should beat a multiboxer 4-5 times.

[Suvega]

ot; Rofol @ suvega and vyndree, stop the [s]dramatics [/s]PLEASE its ANNOYING to read

Dramatics? I'm not the one claiming that a class / tactic was nerfed because .05% of the population used it. Where .05% never did anything of note with it, and even the most noteable wasn't even affected.

[EvilSqueegee]

Ele Shaman was the core damage dealer for a 2345 / 23456 which reign supreme for almost 3 seasons.
They were non existent though in 2's and 3's.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Ellay - I didn't get into arenas seriously until season 3 (I picked up Rival during season 2 with feral druid tanking/holy paladin healing and bored people to death) - but didn't blizzard buff Hunters because they were poorly represented in 2's and 3's? While I agree the shaman is a core DPS in the 2345/2346, I honestly can't think of very many other comps that revolve around the shaman. At least not top-end comps that actually manage to get places and titles, not counting boxxed shaman teams.

In the end I'd have to agree with Vyn and Suv. Multiboxing, while having gotten a lot of spotlight and attention recently, is far too much of a minority to matter in the dev's eyes as far as balancing classes damage output goes. I guarentee that for ever multiboxer out there playing elemental shamans, there are 10, 20, 30 or even 100 singleboxed elemental shamans. And that's being really, really conservative. Would it be smart to nurf 10,000 players' characters because of the 100 or so who play groups of toons simultaneously?

That's not even touching the fact that blizzard's stance is that anyone who can multibox for the class-stack isn't doing anything that 5 seperate players could do with that same class-stack. The dev's shouldn't even be paying boxers any heed when managing this kind of thing, aside from avoiding situations where everyone's slamming 25-man raids of shamans down because the stacking is too rediculous in and of itself.

[Moxy]

What is kind of interesting to me about all this... is that I don't really see how ele shamans were nerfed.

In running multiple raids (guild and pug) with my boomkin/shaman team (entirely in pvp gear and gems, and usually, spec) or sometimes just my shamans, it was rare that I was not topping damage meters. Only ppl that would give me a run for my money were T6 warriors or occasionally mages (if there was a ton of aoe). Now, I could just be w/ scrubs that don't know how to dps, but i kinda doubt it. I sure don't have the theorycrafting ability of ppl on the elitist jerks forums. So, I probably don't know wtf I'm talking about except.. I don't really see the nerf. *shrug*

We'll see what happens at 80. I guess the only real 'nerf' I've felt is the heroism change. And that is only on the level of my crew as a whole being able to pop back to back heroisms or not have some scrub in AV pop and give me the debuff. Heroism affecting the raid would be OP if the debuff didn't apply.

[Bettysue]

I know the thread is about shamans being buffed/nerfed as a result of multiboxing but something in relation to my question was mentioned, can someone please PM me what all this 2345 2346 nonsense means I have been wondering it for near a year now and can't find an explanation anywhere.

[Dorffo]

I've been offline for the past few months, but I believe that the 2345 refer to specific class makeups or comps. { Warrior, Mage, Elemental Shaman, Priest, Paladin }

The numbers refer to keybinds for insta-gibbing your focus target (I think?).