Since 3.02 I've been clearing ZA in roughly 90mins and Kara in 2-3 hours it's been fun too bad i didn't start pve boxing soon I'm having a blast. Since 3.02 I stopped pvping and focused more on PVE. I didn't think I'd like boxing the tank + 3 dps + 1 healer setup, but it is really fun. Been boxing 5 shams + 1 pally for pve, and was working on adding a boonkin + shadow priest... they probably won't make their pve appearance till WOTLK 10mans (if 10boxable). Gruul + Mags are 15manable now too... Gruul event got started with 1/2 the raid behind the gate and we still did it with 11-15 people I didn't get the exact #.