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[DLoweinc]

I will try these changes soon and report back. perhaps it was just CPU affinity.

edit: another question about IRC and it seems kind of dumb to ask, but do you want these questions in #ISXWOW or just the main IRC channel? i got zero responses today in ISXWOW even though there were three or four times as many people in there

[DLoweinc]

KeyClone uses CPU 0-(N-1) and so does Windows, but that's really more to do with how the CPUs are represented internally, not something that really needs to be displayed to Joe the Multiboxer, who counts from 1 to n and doesn't care what 1<<0 means. The above script is fine for setting your CPU affinity, but there's a typo in "Ctrl+Num4" which should be "Ctrl+Num 4"

Is the "1 or less" FPS accurate or an estimate? Is Inner Space or WoW showing you 1 FPS on an indicator?

That is using the FPS reported when the WoW windows launch through Innerspace

Did you check the Task Manager process list to see how the CPU load is distributed and made sure the affinity is getting set to what it's supposed to?

Yes, even after doing the CPu affinity stuff above and verifying that two were using one core and the other three were using the other core (as I have in keyclone), the frame rates were still between zero and no higher than 2

Did you check your WoW video settings to see that they are in performance mode?

Yes, they were at their lowest settings, "performance"

The main difference you would see from switching to Inner Space from KeyClone is that WoW isn't going to be running in a resolution of 336,262, it's still going to be running in the resolution of the main window size. The smaller resolution would have increased framerates somewhat with KeyClone, at the expense of window swapping time. But, I started my 5 box team on a 2.1ghz dual core with 2GB of RAM on Vista 64 and a Geforce 7800 GT, so unless it's driver related, I don't think "1 or less" FPS is caused by hardware bottlenecks. If I knew more specifically what sort of FPS you were getting, and what sort of FPS you get with running only 1 with Inner Space, I might be able to make better sense of it.

Running 1 instance of WoW through innerspace I get 45fps

[Lax]

I will try these changes soon and report back. perhaps it was just CPU affinity.

edit: another question about IRC and it seems kind of dumb to ask, but do you want these questions in #ISXWOW or just the main IRC channel? i got zero responses today in ISXWOW even though there were three or four times as many people in there

The ISBoxer channel is where you want to be. ISXWoW channel is pretty much people who wish they were cheating at the moment, so that's not really where you want to be for this purpose, and those guys generally don't multi-box and probably don't know the answer to questions about 5 boxing or what it's all about. I don't actually know of anyone at all that will have the answer you are looking for in this case though. This is kind of a new one, but in general the answer

Okay, so we've established that the CPU affinity is indeed getting set. But, what I dont have is:
1. Whether you've checked for new video drivers, or what version your current video drivers are
2. What the CPU load looked like in the Task Manager. Are both cores maxed out? Are they maxed out just on WoWs or is some other process (or multiple other processes) using a good chunk of CPU?

[DLoweinc]

Edit: downloaded new catalyst video drivers today, didnt't help.

Here are some screen shots of my mem settings etc with no wows open, 1 thru innerspace and 5 thru innerspace.

[Lax]

Okay. So with those screenshots the FPS was "less than 1"?

Seeing the CPU usage at nearly 0, this probably does have to do with FPS limiting. You said you set the background FPS limit to 15. Is that in WoW or in Inner Space? I assume in WoW. Inner Space has FPS limiting as well (since most games do not provide tihs) and by default for background sessions, it's set to 30. Try opening up the IS configuration window, then in the FPS Limiter tab, in the Background box, select "Calculate CPU Time" in the dropdown. The default is "Constant CPU Time" which means that it will divide 1 second by whatever number is there, and give up that amount of time per frame. Calculate will check the current FPS, and try to predict how much time it needs to give up per frame to meet the goal framerate (so if the framerate is too low, it's not going to give up any).

[DLoweinc]

Okay. So with those screenshots the FPS was "less than 1"?

Seeing the CPU usage at nearly 0, this probably does have to do with FPS limiting. You said you set the background FPS limit to 15. Is that in WoW or in Inner Space? I assume in WoW. Inner Space has FPS limiting as well (since most games do not provide tihs) and by default for background sessions, it's set to 30. Try opening up the IS configuration window, then in the FPS Limiter tab, in the Background box, select "Calculate CPU Time" in the dropdown. The default is "Constant CPU Time" which means that it will divide 1 second by whatever number is there, and give up that amount of time per frame. Calculate will check the current FPS, and try to predict how much time it needs to give up per frame to meet the goal framerate (so if the framerate is too low, it's not going to give up any).

Already had it setup that way. FPS set to 15 max on non focused windows, 45 max on focused or foreground window with calculate CPU time selected on both.

[zanthor]

The screenshots dont' appear to have been taken in a consistant state... the 5 copies are using less CPU than 1 copy, of course they are on a login screen which has nearly no cpu requirements...

[DLoweinc]

so you are saying that perhaps it will get better once i log in?

am i surprised to be taking any type of performance loss when trying to use innerspace. should i be taking one at all? If so why would I use it? Having to switch the video settings to performance? Why would I do that when I didn't in keyclone? I have already paid for a subscription but at this rate I may end up requesting to cancel it because for some reason it is not working for me, and I know it is not a hardware issue. I really would like to get it to work because while Keyclone is great software, it has its caveats and I was hoping innerspace didn't.

[nakago]

I had a similar problem today when I had first started this up, horrible performance.

The thing I found with mysetup was with 5 WOWs running I checked their GFX performance and found that my old main settings of 24 bit 4xAA was still on. As soon as I put it down to 24bit 1xaa I was getting amazing performance again.

This makes total sense as your asking 5 full size WOWs to run with 4x AA on, which is really asking alot. Bringing it down was the answer for me, worth looking into for yourself. Also remember you need to do that for each of the running WOWs as they all have their own settings file.



Good luck!!

[DLoweinc]

I had a similar problem today when I had first started this up, horrible performance.

The thing I found with mysetup was with 5 WOWs running I checked their GFX performance and found that my old main settings of 24 bit 4xAA was still on. As soon as I put it down to 24bit 1xaa I was getting amazing performance again.

This makes total sense as your asking 5 full size WOWs to run with 4x AA on, which is really asking alot. Bringing it down was the answer for me, worth looking into for yourself. Also remember you need to do that for each of the running WOWs as they all have their own settings file.



Good luck!!

Ok so I feel like such an idiot, I had it on 8x anti-aliasing. keyclone must turn that off somehow when it launches through maximizer