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[Daleka]

...to allow my X12 key to press two keys on each client. I had previously achieved this same effect with KeyClone but had to program my X-Keys to press two keys. The only reason I bring this up here is full disclosure; I don't feel anything is wrong with this as it's been done many times before in many ways before.

A: Ctrl+A are 2 keys. (I know this is not what you mean, but it's FACT. They ARE 2 keys pressed at once.) As long as there is only one action for each key press, I see nothing wrong with this. But then I don't plan on using that portion of your setup
B: Full disclosure is good. I appreciate this. Thanx.

you are correct that it is 2 physical key presses, but ctrl is a modifier and therefor considered 1 keypress when in conjuntion with a standard key. So you can have 1 macro be able to cast lightning bolt on keypress of 'a', and chain lightning on keypress of 'ctrl+a'. It is a funtion that is available in the wow ui, thus allowed by blizz and TOS

[Tanntyn]

...to allow my X12 key to press two keys on each client. I had previously achieved this same effect with KeyClone but had to program my X-Keys to press two keys. The only reason I bring this up here is full disclosure; I don't feel anything is wrong with this as it's been done many times before in many ways before.

A: Ctrl+A are 2 keys. (I know this is not what you mean, but it's FACT. They ARE 2 keys pressed at once.) As long as there is only one action for each key press, I see nothing wrong with this. But then I don't plan on using that portion of your setup
B: Full disclosure is good. I appreciate this. Thanx.

you are correct that it is 2 physical key presses, but ctrl is a modifier and therefor considered 1 keypress when in conjuntion with a standard key. So you can have 1 macro be able to cast lightning bolt on keypress of 'a', and chain lightning on keypress of 'ctrl+a'. It is a funtion that is available in the wow ui, thus allowed by blizz and TOS

I direct your attention to the bracketed statement in A.

[Dragonshadow]

Bump for great... awesomesauce?

[zanthor]

Ok, I'm 80, I've done some dungeons, I've done some dailies, and quite frankly the setup is rock solid. There are a few edges that need polished and I'll be getting to documenting them in the very near future. But for now, I wanted to bump this back to the front so I'd REMEMBER to do it!

[PyrostasisTDK]

Ok, I'm 80, I've done some dungeons, I've done some dailies, and quite frankly the setup is rock solid. There are a few edges that need polished and I'll be getting to documenting them in the very near future. But for now, I wanted to bump this back to the front so I'd REMEMBER to do it!

WTB a nice GUI interface for IS like keyclones.

This would be a cash cow imo if it was just easier to setup!

[zanthor]

Ok, I'm 80, I've done some dungeons, I've done some dailies, and quite frankly the setup is rock solid. There are a few edges that need polished and I'll be getting to documenting them in the very near future. But for now, I wanted to bump this back to the front so I'd REMEMBER to do it!

WTB a nice GUI interface for IS like keyclones.

This would be a cash cow imo if it was just easier to setup!

Lax and Red are both working on GUI configuration utilities for this. I was going to but considering that two with more experience are already on top of it, I figured I'd leave well enough alone. I'll be testing both paths for configuration out when completed and writing them up here.

[DLoweinc]

Like many others, i have some questions for using innerspace.

I have a single monitor (1680x1050) and a dual core processor. i used greythan's multi.iss file, worked ok, launched 5 wow's but my framerates were horrible (1 or less).

I have my wow folder symbolic linked, which really helped when using keyclone and also allowed my config.wtf files to stay separate. my folder structure for keyclone was setup as main window launches c:\world of warcraft\wow.exe (1344x1050 size, position 0,0)

second launches c:\wow1\wow.exe (336,262 size and 1344,0 position)

third launches c:\wow2\wow.exe (336,262 size and 1344,262 position)

fourth launches c:\wow3\wow.exe (336,262 size and 1344,524 position)

fifth launches c:\wow4\wow.exe (336,262 size and 1344,787 position)

Anyone able to help me figure this out? I thought I was moderately proficient in stuff like this, but I am fully overwhelmed.

[Lax]

Like many others, i have some questions for using innerspace.

I have a single monitor (1680x1050) and a dual core processor. i used greythan's multi.iss file, worked ok, launched 5 wow's but my framerates were horrible (1 or less).

I have my wow folder symbolic linked, which really helped when using keyclone and also allowed my config.wtf files to stay separate. my folder structure for keyclone was setup as main window launches c:\world of warcraft\wow.exe (1344x1050 size, position 0,0)

second launches c:\wow1\wow.exe (336,262 size and 1344,0 position)

third launches c:\wow2\wow.exe (336,262 size and 1344,262 position)

fourth launches c:\wow3\wow.exe (336,262 size and 1344,524 position)

fifth launches c:\wow4\wow.exe (336,262 size and 1344,787 position)

Anyone able to help me figure this out? I thought I was moderately proficient in stuff like this, but I am fully overwhelmed.

The quickest way to get answers is on IRC (chat) -- there's links to use it in your browser, found at the bottom of the pages in Zanthor's post (or I dont know if it was linked elsewhere in the thread too).

But, as far as symlink that's fine and may or may not help depending on what you expect out of it. With Inner Space, you can keep separate config.wtf files without using symbolic links. Inner Space lets you virtualize files, redirecting config.wtf to, for example, config2.wtf. Zanthor's latest setup does this automatically for each instance you launch, copying config.wtf to the new file if it doesn't exist.

As far as framerate, unless they're all on the same core I can't imagine why you'd get "1 or less" FPS. Greythan's multi.iss file didn't have any CPU affinity settings, so I would check that. If you haven't downloaded new video drivers recently, I'd grab those as well.

[DLoweinc]

The quickest way to get answers is on IRC (chat) -- there's links to use it in your browser, found at the bottom of the pages in Zanthor's post (or I dont know if it was linked elsewhere in the thread too).

But, as far as symlink that's fine and may or may not help depending on what you expect out of it. With Inner Space, you can keep separate config.wtf files without using symbolic links. Inner Space lets you virtualize files, redirecting config.wtf to, for example, config2.wtf. Zanthor's latest setup does this automatically for each instance you launch, copying config.wtf to the new file if it doesn't exist.

As far as framerate, unless they're all on the same core I can't imagine why you'd get "1 or less" FPS. Greythan's multi.iss file didn't have any CPU affinity settings, so I would check that. If you haven't downloaded new video drivers recently, I'd grab those as well.

Yes, I joined the IRC chat earlier today but could not get any substantial responses. I did get some though, and thank you to those people... Joining IRC is fine but for the hour to 90 mins that I sat in there, not much transpired.

I have a question then about CPU affinity, keyclone uses cpu 0/1/2/3, but I see in Zanthor's multi.iss that he has it set to cpu 1/2/3/4

I unfortunately couldn't get any information to help other than check the max fps setting (i had already changed it to nonfocused windows=15)


this is from zanthor's, (modified by how I think it needs to be for me)

/* Setup Hotkeys */ 
switch ${nSession} 
{ 
case 1 
globalbind is${nSession}_key "Ctrl+Num 1" "windowvisibility foreground;relay all press Ctrl+F1" 
proc 1 only 
break 
case 2 
globalbind is${nSession}_key "Ctrl+Num 2" "windowvisibility foreground;relay all press Ctrl+F2" 
proc 1 only 
break 
case 3 
globalbind is${nSession}_key "Ctrl+Num 3" "windowvisibility foreground;relay all press Ctrl+F3" 
proc 2 only 
break 
case 4 
globalbind is${nSession}_key "Ctrl+Num4" "windowvisibility foreground;relay all press Ctrl+F4" 
proc 2 only 
break 
case 5 
globalbind is${nSession}_key "Ctrl+Num 5" "windowvisibility foreground;relay all press Ctrl+F5" 
proc 2 only 
break 
}

For me that would be the first step, to be able to launch all 5 windows and have it be playable. I've got a 3.16ghz dual core, 8gigs of ram with vista64 and a radeon 4870. Using keyclone I have 45-60 fps on my largest window and 15 on all the others no problem.
What am I missing?

[Lax]

Yes, I joined the IRC chat earlier today but could not get any substantial responses. I did get some though, and thank you to those people... Joining IRC is fine but for the hour to 90 mins that I sat in there, not much transpired.

Of course, your mileage may vary. It depends on who is around, but you can at least carry a conversation with one or more people about your problem instead of waiting for someone who knows the answer to respond on forums You have a pretty good chance of finding me through IRC, but sorry I was not available when you joined.

I have a question then about CPU affinity, keyclone uses cpu 0/1/2/3, but I see in Zanthor's multi.iss that he has it set to cpu 1/2/3/4

I unfortunately couldn't get any information to help other than check the max fps setting (i had already changed it to nonfocused windows=15)


this is from zanthor's, (modified by how I think it needs to be for me)

/* Setup Hotkeys */ 
switch ${nSession} 
{ 
case 1 
globalbind is${nSession}_key "Ctrl+Num 1" "windowvisibility foreground;relay all press Ctrl+F1" 
proc 1 only 
break 
case 2 
globalbind is${nSession}_key "Ctrl+Num 2" "windowvisibility foreground;relay all press Ctrl+F2" 
proc 1 only 
break 
case 3 
globalbind is${nSession}_key "Ctrl+Num 3" "windowvisibility foreground;relay all press Ctrl+F3" 
proc 2 only 
break 
case 4 
globalbind is${nSession}_key "Ctrl+Num4" "windowvisibility foreground;relay all press Ctrl+F4" 
proc 2 only 
break 
case 5 
globalbind is${nSession}_key "Ctrl+Num 5" "windowvisibility foreground;relay all press Ctrl+F5" 
proc 2 only 
break 
}

For me that would be the first step, to be able to launch all 5 windows and have it be playable. I've got a 3.16ghz dual core, 8gigs of ram with vista64 and a radeon 4870. Using keyclone I have 45-60 fps on my largest window and 15 on all the others no problem.
What am I missing?

KeyClone uses CPU 0-(N-1) and so does Windows, but that's really more to do with how the CPUs are represented internally, not something that really needs to be displayed to Joe the Multiboxer, who counts from 1 to n and doesn't care what 1<<0 means. The above script is fine for setting your CPU affinity, but there's a typo in "Ctrl+Num4" which should be "Ctrl+Num 4"

If you were missing something obvious you would have heard about it on IRC from whoever you talked to. I don't know if you checked for drivers or not but that's still the first thing I would look for. Is the "1 or less" FPS accurate or an estimate? Is Inner Space or WoW showing you 1 FPS on an indicator? Did you check the Task Manager process list to see how the CPU load is distributed and made sure the affinity is getting set to what it's supposed to? Did you check your WoW video settings to see that they are in performance mode? The main difference you would see from switching to Inner Space from KeyClone is that WoW isn't going to be running in a resolution of 336,262, it's still going to be running in the resolution of the main window size. The smaller resolution would have increased framerates somewhat with KeyClone, at the expense of window swapping time. But, I started my 5 box team on a 2.1ghz dual core with 2GB of RAM on Vista 64 and a Geforce 7800 GT, so unless it's driver related, I don't think "1 or less" FPS is caused by hardware bottlenecks. If I knew more specifically what sort of FPS you were getting, and what sort of FPS you get with running only 1 with Inner Space, I might be able to make better sense of it.