Innerspace Windowsnapper, Repeater, and a little extra sumptin sumptin

[Dragonshadow]

THAT WORKED THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Um, how do I make the secondary wows start at the top right of my second monitor and go down instead of the bottom right and going up?

autolayout right

In your multi.iss if you are following my setup.

Not working.

run windowsnapper -norollover
run autolayout ${clients} right
windowpos -viewable 0,0
windowsize -viewable 1680x1050
squishes the main the secondary into rectangles on the first monitor.

run windowsnapper -norollover
run autolayout ${clients} outer left
windowpos -viewable 0,0
windowsize -viewable 1680x1050

makes the second wow be on the bottom right of the secondary monitor (To the left of my main monitor) and part of it is behind the taskbar (I put my taskbar on the second monitor.)

Is your second monitor upside down? autolayout starts with 0 for the first session, and increments by the size toward the max -- regardless of whether it is horizontal or vertical. If the number of clients is 2, the screen is divided by 2 and the second window will be in the second position, which is bottom. The primary window still owns a slot, which would be the top.

Lax: What he's looking for is the ability to have X clients with X-1 thumbnails and never a "blank" spot on his desktop. When you hit a hotkey to bring a client into focus, it moves that client to the full sized reagon and puts the client that was the current focus back in it's slot. Basically with clients 1-5 all clients will always be in the same spot UNLESS a client other than 1 is the focus. If a client other than 1 is the focus, client 1 takes it's original location and client X fills the full screen. So if you start at client 1 and focus 2, they swap. If you then focus 3, client 1 moves to client 3's position, client 3 takes the full screen and client 2 moves back to it's original thumbnail position.

It is, in fact, possible. However, it's probably going to be 10ms or so slower WindowSnapper is not currently set up for this, it would have to have a position control script running in the uplink (main program). I can put it on my list of things to do today.

My personal preference is how it is -- the blank spot tells me exactly what session I am using without question, and I know exactly which windows are where at all times -- without the blank spot, it would take some extra thought to figure out which session is in which position and what hotkey to use to switch to it if I want. I'm not saying either way is right or wrong, just saying why I like this behavior

Anyway, as stated, I will get that set up today

Uh no, let me show you what I mean. Pic in a few mins.

Here:
www.shadowwow.com/images/innerspace2box.png
absolutely frikin' huge pic.

[Lax]

www.shadowwow.com/images/innerspace2box.png[/url]
absolutely frikin' huge pic.

Right, that looks exactly as I described. You've got 2 sessions, making "clients" equal to 2 -- the number you're passing into run wow. The primary session, which is on the right monitor, reserves the first slot because it is session #1. The second session, the "first" pip window, is on the second monitor, in the second slot, because it is #2. If you switch sessions, the one on the right will move into the top slot, and the one on the bottom will go to the main position. I assume you want the behavior like we were just discussing, where the active window doesn't take up a slot.

Edit: Alternatively, pass a number that's not 2 to autolayout, e.g. run autolayout 5 outer left (which is the same as run autolayout outer left)

Secondly, I see you were trying to run windowsnapper in the uplink -- you're not still trying to do that, right?

[zanthor]

My personal preference is how it is -- the blank spot tells me exactly what session I am using without question, and I know exactly which windows are where at all times -- without the blank spot, it would take some extra thought to figure out which session is in which position and what hotkey to use to switch to it if I want. I'm not saying either way is right or wrong, just saying why I like this behavior

When I first saw the demo of windowsnapper I thought to myself "Damn, what a waste to have an empty slot..." and now that I've been using it this way for a few weeks, I have 5 hotkeys lined up the right side of my x-keys, the blank spot is who I am, and each key matches which client comes to focus...

[Samam]
[Samarn]
[Sarnam]
[Sarnarn]
[Samarri]

I absolutely love it. Rock solid, screaming fast, but I can see folks having the desire to have them bigger, it's all a matter of what people get used to.

[Dragonshadow]

www.shadowwow.com/images/innerspace2box.png[/url]
absolutely frikin' huge pic.

Right, that looks exactly as I described. You've got 2 sessions, making "clients" equal to 2 -- the number you're passing into run wow. The primary session, which is on the right monitor, reserves the first slot because it is session #1. The second session, the "first" pip window, is on the second monitor, in the second slot, because it is #2. If you switch sessions, the one on the right will move into the top slot, and the one on the bottom will go to the main position. I assume you want the behavior like we were just discussing, where the active window doesn't take up a slot.

Edit: Alternatively, pass a number that's not 2 to autolayout, e.g. run autolayout 5 outer left (which is the same as run autolayout outer left)

Secondly, I see you were trying to run windowsnapper in the uplink -- you're not still trying to do that, right? [/quote]

Not anymore lol. And yeah, I want it where the active window doesn't take up a slot. (Btw Auto-layout 3 works for me, except the active window takes a slot >_<)

[Dragonshadow]

Um, is there a way to clone the mousewheel aswell?

[Lax]

Um, is there a way to clone the mousewheel aswell?

Repeater does the mouse wheel when mouse repeating is enabled, assuming you have the current version of it.

p.s. The "no holes" setup for WindowSnapper is basically ready, just doing some testing and adding the 1x2x2 style of layout olipcs was asking about.

[Lax]

Ok, I added an optional PiPSqueak feature to WindowSnapper. Its job is to "squeak" the "main" (first) window into an empty PiP slot (this is what you're looking for, olipcs and Dragonshadow).

PiPSqueak is not 100% compatible with Zanthor's current multi.iss/wow.iss configuration, there would be some minor conflicts that can be fixed relatively easily (join the IRC channel for help if needed, or wait for Zanthor to update them eventually ). When not using PiPSqueak there will not be a conflict with the new version, though.

It's explained on the WindowSnapper wiki page, but in a nutshell, you would download and install the latest WindowSnapper (2008-11-18), make sure you have the latest build of Inner Space (restart it to automatically patch), then do the following in the Uplink (main program):
1. Open the console (right click IS icon, select Console -- also note that this console is just a window that opens in the Uplink window, there is a main console available in each session)
2. run pipsqueak to start the script
3. Set up the regions you want using the pipsqueak command added by the script, e.g. pipsqueak -slot 1 0,0,1680,840 -slot 2 0,840,420,210 -slot 3 420,840,420,210 -slot 4 840,840,420,210 -slot 5 1260,840,420,210
Note: that's X,Y,Width,Height, so you only need to change the X,Y for the PiP windows unless you would prefer different sizes That's 1 1680x840 main window at the top of the screen, with 4 PiP windows along the bottom. You can do each slot separately with the pipsqueak command if you want as well, instead of all on the same line.
4. Launch game sessions

Alternatively, autolayout can now be used in the Uplink in order to use PiPSqueak (it can still be used the same as before on a per-session basis), so:
1. Open the console (right click IS icon, select Console -- also note that this console is just a window that opens in the Uplink window, there is a main console available in each session)
2. run autolayout to start the script (or run autolayout 3 if you will be launching 3 sessions instead of 5 for example, and this will make room for 2 PiP windows instead of 4 PiP windows -- the autolayout script takes the same parameters documented for the autolayout command on the WindowSnapper page, e.g. run autolayout 3 outer left)
3. Launch game sessions

So there you go olipcs, should be what the doctor ordered

[olipcs]

yeah, many thanks for the quick implementation, sounds exactly like what i'm looking for!
I will try it, when i'm at home.

[zanthor]

I've done a significant amount of rework on my setup, I've almost got it where I want it, and will be updating soon:

• Added round robin binds
• Setup spread out macro coded in such a fashion that the toons always form a 5 point formation and the toon left/right of you will always be the same.
• Fixed it so when you first run it will thumbnail all the clients instead of waiting to lose focus
• Added support for saving your account name/individual client settings

Still on my to-do list

• Move all actions to binds instead of using repeater. (This allows repeater to only be needed for sending all keys and no whitelist needed)
• Add the ability to toggle binds on/off (Similar to the functionality of toggling a whitelist)
• Add toggles to M1,M2,M3 buttons that control the lights indicating Keyboard/Mouse/Binds being enabled/disabled.

Really the more I work on this the more complex it's getting, however I'm finding my effectiveness going up with each round of changes.

[Daleka]

I am currently looking at this, but what I can't seem to get a grasp on is changing one key to be sent as another, ie press A then sent to other clients as O. It was mentioned earlier in the thread that it was possible, but I have yet to find a solution. Any help would be great