Are raids too easy?

[Ughmahedhurtz]

You're asking this question now? After people already have T6? And with talents balanced for play at 80? Had you asked this question a month after BC, you'd have gotten a different answer. 6 months ago, it would have been another answer. :P

[valkry]

I too wish they didn't remove the keying for BT/MH. I am keyed for one but thanks to the removal, my guild totally skipped Kael and I never got to see past phase 3. That ring would have helped me hit +3k healing when it procced too

[TheBigBB]

I'd like it if there were a sandbox mode where you got no loot or credit, but could progress through an easier version of the content after a certain point. Like let's say a year after every raid is introduced, easy no-loot mode becomes active. That way anyone who is causal and just wants to SEE content could, and they wouldn't have to nerf anything anymore.

[Svpernova09]

After what I've seen since the patch, of course I'd have to say a resounding "Yes". A lot of hardcore raiders on my server are QQing about it. But meh, Madoran was a xfer server when BC hit and Sunwell has yet to be cleared. Only 3 guilds dropped Illidan prepatch, so we're definetely NOT a progression server. Prepatch the guild I'm in was 3/4 Tk, 5/6 SSC, 3/5 MH, 2/9 BT. We simply ran out of time before the patch. We had solid attempts on Vashj and if we didn't have a bunch of people biting at the chomp to hit MH/BT we would have downed her prepatch. But at any rate after the nerf we easily went 6/9 BT and 4/5 MH without much trouble or even much preparation. This week we finished off TK and SSC. We 2 shot Kael and it was literally the 2nd time most of the guild had ever seen him. I'm glad they nerfed the raids because otherwise a super casual like myself (and many of my guildies) wouldn't have been able to see the content. And believe it or not, most of the guild I'm in is more interested in Content than PURPLEZ. But nerf or no nerf, I'm glad to have my Hand of A'dal title now and it was a blast to see the content.

[ILikeTwins]

My guilld got through most of the content pre-patch but we are still having lots of fun tearing it up. I thought I would be upset about them opening things up but to be honest doing hour and a half clears of BT with mains and alts are tons of fun when we remember how hard some of that stuff was. You can essentially skip entire phases of a fight (or lessen the number of phases) by dpsing through them (Fel Rage, Demon phase etc). It makes you feel like a superhero without the stress of worrying about every moment of every pull. Being able to down the bosses in Sunwell without the astronomical repair bills is really nice too.

I always laugh when we have a pug or two and they don't understand how guilds had such hard times clearing such easy content. I always feel like I should give them a little pat on the head as I slowly explain how severely nerfed the content is now. I'm not sure the original difficulty of the encounters will ever quite sink in when you have never seen how absolutely unforgiving some of them were.

Another plus to note is that we generally pug a few players and it has allowed us to find some nice new additions to our guild. We would never have been able to do that before the nerfs unless the pug was also clearing the same level of content since we never had time to clear the old content to gear them up.

[Ellay]

I wanted to bounce back in this thread again. I've been having SO MUCH FUN on PvE like I never thought I would, maybe it's because I'm able to experience the content for what it is and have it not consume the entire evening with wipes. I'm running Kara everytime it is up, even though I need nothing - just because it's enjoyable to hang out with some friends or meet new players.

[Clone]

I was in one of the first 20 guilds to kill KJ and I think it is a great thing they nerfed it so all the casuals can see content. I actually stopped raiding a few weeks after downing KJ and didnt raid again till recently. It has made this stuff even more fun than it was the first time round for me because I get to see it and have a laugh with my real friends who werent into spending 6 nights a week raiding. The first kills of bosses where a great achievement but the amount of stress they caused on not just me but my real life relationships made me think twice about ever going that route again.

[falcao]

I was in one of the first 20 guilds to kill KJ and I think it is a great thing they nerfed it so all the casuals can see content. I actually stopped raiding a few weeks after downing KJ and didnt raid again till recently. It has made this stuff even more fun than it was the first time round for me because I get to see it and have a laugh with my real friends who werent into spending 6 nights a week raiding. The first kills of bosses where a great achievement but the amount of stress they caused on not just me but my real life relationships made me think twice about ever going that route again.

I agree! the force is strong in this one!

So much stress in the past, so many wipes, so many friend´s cursing each other because some bad pull, now is fun, no stress and i´m happy casual players can raid.

[Tsunami]

for me raiding is a time issue. even if you have a set starting time, say 7:00pm. it still takes 30 min. for everyone to be ready, buffed and start fighting the trash mob. throw in a wipe or two and it is midnight before your on the last boss, if you get that far. than you have a small chance in getting the loot. I find it easier to do bg's and arena. atleast i know i will get something for my efforts.

[Niley]

it really doesnt matter, when 3.0 came out wotlk was 4 weeks away. Raids in wotlk(25s) wont be that easy, as blue already stated it(in the thread about tanking being too easy at 70). Im hoping that most of t8/9 content at least for first few months will be as hard as sunwell used to be. On beta all t7 content is pretty damn easy too, I predict my guild clearing all t7 by 17th-18th, maybe faster..