Quote Originally Posted by 'keyclone',index.php?page=Thread&postID=141524#pos t141524
i read the other thread and purposefully did not respond to your advertisement. i barely respond in any of these threads (ie: octopus, ahk, hkn) unless there is something that could get an unsuspecting user in trouble.

to say that you have access to in-game memory, but you promise to be good... is just funny. you have OBVIOUSLY crossed the line once you have access to their applications memory. i would even go as far as to say that glider did nothing wrong as it behaved as any innerspace mod would. the root problem wasn't the type of mod but the mechanism that breached the line in the first place. (i would have to read the EULA to see if you violate any reverse-engineering wording by reading the binary and acting on it)

if you are saying that it is perfectly acceptable with Blizzard for your application to be in the same memory space as wow, i would love to hear your justification.

for those that are unaware, having full access to blizzard's in-game memory could give InnerSpace various in-game knowledge, like passwords, locations of players, npcs, as well as resources. depending on wow's messaging protocol and client/server model, he could even introduce packet drops that could minimize damage, decrease timers or increase damage output (although i'm fairly certain blizzard checks their timers on the server)

to say that Blizzard would be fine with that is just funny.
My "advertisement" never included me linking to my site, or trying to market my product. Other people do that just fine. If I was here to advertise at this time, you would see a link to my products next to the links to yours. I came here to respond to misinformation, and it sounds like you are trying to assist in spreading that misinformation. I am not here to argue with you, I have attempted to be respectful to you and your product and to the other people here who support you. I can see that you have the wrong idea about a number of things, so I will try to help you out.

Reverse engineering is the act of taking something apart to interpret its engineering. Reverse engineering tools include things called Disassemblers. Inner Space is as much a "reverse engineering tool" as KeyClone is. Neither are. I do or have done reverse engineering on a number of targets, including Warden, including World of Warcraft, EverQuest, EverQuest 2, and a number of other games. The purpose of reverse engineering as it relates to Inner Space is for interoperability -- to find out why Inner Space is not compatible with a particular game's usage of Windows API, and to solve that problem. Wine developers would be doing pretty much the same thing to fix the same sorts of problems with Wine. However, using software such as Inner Space that is supported by its developers performing reverse engineering, does not make you a reverse engineer, and does not cause YOU to violate the Terms of Service. As a reverse engineer, I am well aware that any reverse engineering of World of Warcraft or its components causes me to violate the ToS, but as reverse engineering for the purpose of interoperability is explicitly allowed by the DMCA, I believe I am RIGHT to do so, even if it may mean that Blizzard can ban my account for my actions.

It is acceptable for my application to be in the same memory space as World of Warcraft. A number of other applications also reside in the World of Warcraft memory-space. I gave examples in the other thread, but off the top of my head: Anti-virus software, anti-spyware software, Logitech mouse software, Trillian (instant messaging software) all have components that reside in-game. Do you think Blizzard is going to ban me for using Trillian, just because it has a component that lives inside the game process? Because I don't. Also, residing OUT of game does not prevent you from accessing World of Warcraft's memory, and the only difference is the METHOD of doing so. Also, Inner Space has absolutely no knowledge of World of Warcraft's game memory, and it would be utterly stupid to give it any -- Inner Space is extensible, if someone wanted to do any of that stuff, they don't need it build into the platform, they could go hack away on their own. I also find it reprehensible that you would suggest that Inner Space has any more access to anyone's World of Warcraft password than KeyClone does -- do you see me saying that nobody should use KeyClone because it's made of the same stuff that keyloggers are made of?

The same arguments you are making about what Inner Space "could" do could also be made about KeyClone, or anti-virus software, or anti-spyware software, or Logitech mouse software, or literally any software running on your PC. Not only is your argument misleading, but it also suggests that you lack the technical knowledge to make these distinctions, and this is why it is ultimately not up to YOU, but it is up to the appropriate team at Blizzard. To me (and actually other people said this to me before I read your initial responses on this thread) it just looks like you feel threatened by my product and you are trying to spread FUD, in the same way that politicians sling mud in order to try to get people to vote for them instead of the other guy, and I don't think that is appropriate for these forums.