Most wow clients on one PC

[Sam DeathWalker]

Thats product thats not even in existance yet, let alone who knows what the cost will be.

At 8G swap file isnt needed:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...op,1775-6.html

Hard to say about less.

Here is stuff on page files:

http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;555223

Ok you have ram, the ram fills up and the OS puts the virtual pages on the "swap file" (actually its a page file).

Yes the page file should be on the fastest resource you have.

Well if you have a 32G SSD and WoW is taking up like 10G, ya I guess you should put the page file on the SSD.

Ok you have WoW on the SSD. How could gain anything by storeing WoW information in a page file on the same SSD? Assuming your CPU needs information from the WoW folder (and where else whould it need information from if you are running wow ... ); why is it slower to go to the WoW folder on the SSD for the information then it is to get the same information from the page file also on the SSD?

Pageing files involves writing, "swaping". It would seem on the face of it if your application does not do writes (like wow), and only does reads, having a page file causes addiional writes that would not occur if you had no page file. I'm not sure if all the information we read is considering a read only application like wow.

Ya Im not worried about the drive failing but most drives SSD have slow write times. Do you have a link to a buyable product?

Those charts from Intel seems fairly BS somehow, not really sure how but Claiming their SSD are miles ahead of everything else seems nuts. What no other company knows how to make nand gates lol ...

Anyway page file or no page file, I think its safe to say that the buss is the bottleneck. SATA is limited and that limit of getting data from and to the SSD is what prevents you from running unlimited wows on one machine.

[Lax]

The speed of an SSD is product-dependant, not that much different in that respect (meaning, they may differ, not that speeds are similar) from different standard platter HDD drives, flash drives, etc. SSD is also a relatively new thing, so top of the line drives from the previous generation can generally be expected to be slower than top of the line drives from the current generation, and you will probably find mid-range SSDs as well.

Based on specs listed here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...d&Order=RATING
I would say that in general, writing on SSDs is roughly half as fast as reading (or slightly better than half for sequential, slightly worse than half for random). But, still appears to be faster than writing on a standard HDD, possibly by a good margin.

At any rate, elaborating on my thoughts regarding SSDs, ignoring the holes in OP's story, this is for people who legitimately want to know:
1. If you are running out of RAM and your virtual memory is on disk instead of in RAM, then definitely put the swap file on an SSD if you've got one. Writing is slower than reading but unless you got a slow SSD, you're going to be well-served by getting your swap file off of your HDD (Edit: but, just buy more RAM tbh, never buy an SSD just for this point).
2. SSD's biggest improvement for playing WoW is going to be when large amounts of resources are getting loaded at once, this is going to be when logging in and when zoning for the most part, but ALSO when in major cities, specifically when the resources are being LOADED. If you're standing around in Shatt for a while, and nobody new is coming in, it's not going to make a difference (unless you're running out of RAM, see #1). But yes, it will help with the initial chugging in those cases.

This is just based on the science and benchmarks behind it for the speeds, and based on years of HDD chugging in MMOs (and an understanding of when/why it happens). Hopefully that helps someone.

[Kaynin]

On my quad core I find I can play two instances per core without too much hassle at resolutions and graphic settings I enjoy playing at, having enough ram to cover for it ofcourse. Maxfps 25, Maxfpsbk 10 (It's playable. :/ )

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ok Ill defer to Lax's superior experience in these areas. So putting the swap file (1.5 X your system ram?) on the SSD and WoW on the SSD seems yur best move.

It looks like 150mb/s read and 100mb/s write for a $240 drive.

150mb/s is SaTa max bandwidth

2 of those drives will saturate a SaTa II bus.

[not5150]

So the Fusion-io card I played with and loaded 13 WoWs at E For All doesn't exist? Or did you mean that it isn't available commercially?

That was the gaming version, their enterprise card has been available for several months. You don't even need to go with the Fusion card.... an OCZ or Intel SSD will do just fine.

http://www.dvnation.com/Fusion-IO-IO...isk-Drive.html - DVNation has been selling it for more than six months
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...d&Order=PRICED - OCZ has been available on Newegg for a while
http://www.amazon.com/X25M80GB-80GB-...5322526&sr=8-1 - Amazon has Intel SSDs in stock now

Sam maybe you need to actually play with some SSDs before you start spouting off the benefits/disadvantages. There's a big difference between theory and data.

[aboron]

I have gotten through the waiting list for one of these: http://www.acard.com/english/fb01-pr...&type1_idno=13
and there is one on the way to my house right now.

I can only find 4GB DDR2 ram sticks for it, but 32 gig should be good enough for main vista boot and a wow "/data" folder.

Plus no worrying about flash wear leveling on ram chips, and hopefully I should be able to pick up some 8GB sticks before the DDR2 format bites it.

And in the end, after it becomes obsolete, I can use it for a noiseless htpc.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Those are some really amazing drives. My wow folder is 11G so I would guess 16G is the minimum you can get away with.

2G ram is like $25 so umm 16G is umm $200 plus you can get their $250 dive so you can saturata a SaTa2 buss for $450.

But for $450 shouldnt you just go to 64 bit operating system and a motherboard that has 16G ram?

Well this can take 32G using the 2G $25 rams (16 of them or $400)

Dam this is $414 wholesale.

Tyan Thunder h2000M (S3992G3NR-E) Dual Opteron 2000/ DDR2/ RAID/ V&3L/ E-ATX Server Motherboard
Specification
Mfr Part Number: S3992G3NR-E
CPU: Dual uPGA 1207-pin ZIF Sockets Support AMD Opteron (Rev. F) 2000 Series Santa Rosa Dual-Core/ Barcelona Quad-Core Processors
Chipset: Broadcom BCM5780 (HT2000) & BCM5785 (HT1000)
Memory: 16x 240pin DDR2-667 DIMMs, Dual Channel, ECC/REG
Slots: 2x PCI-Express x16 Slots (Run on x8); 2x 133/100MHz PCI-X Slots; 1x 100MHz PCI-X Slot; 1x 32-bit/33MHz PCI Slot; 1x Tyan "TARO" SO-DIMM Socket
IDE/SATA: 1x ATA-133 Channel; 4x SATA Ports, Support RAID 0, 1, 5, and 10
Video: ATI ES1000 Graphics Controller w/ 32MB Video Memory
LAN: 2x 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet Controllers (From BCM5780); 1x Intel i82551QM Fast Ethernet Controller
Ports: 4x USB 2.0 Ports (2 rear, 2 by header); 2x PS/2 Ports; 2x Serial Ports (1 rear, 1 by header); 1x VGA Port; 3x RJ45 LAN Ports
Power Connector: 1x 24pin main power, 1x 8pin CPU power
Form Factor: Extended ATX, 13 x 12 nich
Package: Retail
RoHS Compliant

Ok so for $800 you can get 32G ram motherboard and ram and dont need any SSD. Dam I wish I never read this lol ... $800 X 6 is umm ouch.

The cheapest optrons are: $144 each wholesale, doubt you need two but if you run tons of wows then ya.

AMD Opteron Dual-Core Processor Model 2212 1207pins, Retail w/o Heatsink Fan


So you can load your whole wow folder into the system ram and have 20G left over ....

And with 32G you dont need a page file ...

Ill bet you can get 30 wows on that kind of machine np, I think.

Well hummm ... ummm ok my brain is going to blow up heh ...


Ok the optron does not seem faster then a 6000 duel core I dont htink based on its price. So for about $1200 you get more ram then my 6 machines (32G to 24G) but about 1/2 the processor power. But you only need ONE video card ... but you only have ONE monitor ... but you only need ONE keyboard and mouse.

Ummm ...

If everything is in system ram how much processor power do you need for say 30 wows? And can you play 30 wows with only one screen, well you cant ... well if you are full screen in all and dont mind flipping though 30 times to get to a particular caracter. ummm ... well. Wonder how fast pip works if everything is in system ram ...