Quote Originally Posted by Schwarz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=139226#post1 39226]Saying that Pure Shaman DPS is dead or numbered is pure speculation. I would like to speculate that it isn't dead.



edit: I don't think i could have said it better





[quote] [size=14][b][color=#2459ff]Shaman[/color][/b][/size] ([b][url='http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=660
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Elemental tree pre-75
Chill out. Nobody said Elemental was useless until 75. All I said was that your damage wasn't quite as high as other ranged dps at 70. Your ability to level, do instances or even raid at 70 aren't really compromised. (Source)

I am convinced shaman are a trash killing machines. Staggering thunderstorms makes melee easy. Grounding totems makes casters simple. If/when they try to buff our AOE damage things will get even easier. I would say the only way Shaman groups are dead in the water is if they start making a huge ammount of nature immune mobs. Until that point I think they are going to be fine. Another thing I would like to raise is that if shaman are doing 1/2 the damage of the druids/mages/warlocks they will certainly get buffed at some point.[/quote]

To be clear :


I haven't said Shaman DPS is dead. Please don't take the thread off in directions it doesn't need to go by suggesting things have been said, that haven't. I haven't said Shaman will do substantially less DPS than the other classes; what I have said is stacking buffs and effects from a series of other classes will improve the DPS of the whole party by significant amounts.

To be succinct the point is a group with 4 Shaman in it WILL do substantially less damage than a mixed group. To my mind that is beyond debate.

The extensive utilites other classes bring aside from DPS , not least being crowd control, buffs, party summon and party teleport are just bonuses.




And, again, this is a thread about PvE.