New multibox program called clickboxer!

[zanthor]

In setup, pass mouseclick hotkey.

Press that, hit your mouseclick, and it passes.

[Lax]

Lax:

When you say Clickboxing can send to x,y coords, does that mean regular pixel points within the resolution of the monitor? i.e. my WoW is maximized on the screen at 1600x1200, and you're basically just clicking a pixel at point 75,95 which happens to be where my Bar1 Key1 is?

Would this require you to have 1 monitor per WoW instance (and probably more then 1 computer)?

Or is this an x,y based upon the WoW window itself? i.e. My WoW is windowed to 1024x768 on my 1600x1200 monitor, and point 1,1 is the lower left corner of the current WoW window. Which would thereby allow multiple WoW windows on a machine. This is what it sounds like more to me, but I'd like clarification.
Also, as far as clicking a point in WoW (assuming it's multiple instances on 1 machine) how do you overcome the click once for focus of the window?

If it's not agianst the ToS/Blizzards bias towards your company's software, it sounds fantastic, as we can finally have back our click for blizzard/treants/rain of fire/flamestrike functionality without have to resort to multiple boxes and hardware replication.

Well, like I explained in a previous thread: Inner Space virtualizes the input for each window, and can simply add input (e.g. mouse, keyboard, etc) to the input queue and the game will receive it as if it were from hardware. So there is no click for the focus of the window, because that would be giving input to Windows, and I'm giving input directly to the game.

But to clarify again, it wasnt ClickBoxer in the video that was doing the click repeating, it was Repeater (which specifically repeats actions in another window; ClickBoxer CAN do it though). The video clearly demonstrated this on a single monitor (see the quest portion). The way it works is I would move my mouse over the quest Complete or Accept button, and click. Repeater would get the current x,y within the window (GetCursorPos minus the position of the client portion of the window e.g. GetClientRect -- these are Windows API, not something that needs to be grabbed from WoW), position the mouse cursor at the same position within the other windows (virtually, as described in the previous paragraph -- you will not see the mouse cursor move unless it is positioning for the foreground window), and click in them.

It's definitely not against the ToS unless they lump it into "against the spirit of the game" or "changing your game experience" (but as the FAQ here indicated a Blizzard poster responded with, so grouping changes your game experience too).



I will say I'm not particularly surprised at the blue and green responses, given the confusing content of the entire WoW forum thread. But I guess I did predict exactly that anyway -- see what I'm up against?! They even suggested emailing hacks@blizzard.com about it, just based on what they read. At least the hacks team can make a more informed judgment, though, so I'd say that's actually not a bad idea.

[Vyndree]

Green posters are just normal users who have demonstrated consistently reliable/accurate information in the past. ;) It's the blues who speak for Blizzard.

In any case, I added a section that some here might find interesting -- I'm actually considering throwing it in a new thread for discussion since (while it applies to ClickBoxer) it's actually more general for all future software and might actually deserve its own discussion.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...sid=1&pageNo=3
EDIT: <SNIP>

I'll keep the spam out of the ClickBoxer thread and create a new topic to discuss click vs mouse broadcasting and link it here...


UPDATE FROM REYTHUR:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...92857&sid=1#55

The question was: is making decisions about where to click in a UI bannable?

The wording of this question unfortunately leads to a large number of possible misunderstandings of what I would like to respond with. =/

Are you making the decision? Or is the software?

We're honestly touching upon very questionable grounds here, and I'm wary to provide either a positive or a negative at this point in time.

Due to the nature of Multi-Boxing (and as you're well aware of, we've deemed Multi-Boxing more than fine) there are always going to be questionable methods of approaching the practice. Replication of a keyboard press is a little less of an issue due to the way it works; however, software making adjustments of mouse placement depending on a number of variables determined by the user leans more towards automation.

While the use of the mouse to click on point A on screen 1 and point A on screen 2 is a little less questionable than the preceding example, it can still lead to some interesting and questionable uses of it.

I'd personally avoid it until the technology is 1) more well defined and it's limitations established and 2) a better understanding of it's specific intended uses are understood fully.

I understand that this isn't exactly the definitive answer you were looking for, and for that I apologize. However, I'd prefer to abstain from providing a definitive yes or no until more information is available regarding the technology.

[PyrostasisTDK]

I'm not going to harp on about the trustworthiness of Lax/Lavish like I did in the last thead but there is a very simple cost equation:

AFAIK Innerspace is a subscription based 'platform' that will cost you $10 per month (I assume there are lifetime subs, etc as well) and will not be gauranteed to be safe.

Keyclone will cost you a one time payment of $19.99 and is as safe as you can get in WoW third party tools thanks to the scrupulousness of it's maker.

The decision seem mind numbingly clear to me regardless of the number of ex ISXbotters who will vouch for Innerspace 'safety'.

Problem is keyclone isnt guaranteed safe, atm blizzard doesnt mind it, but that could change. As for the price.... I love rob, I have three copies of keyclone and have used it extensively, its a great program. That being said, I have been waiting on an update for features that innerspace has since april, and it doesnt look like lock forward is going to happen any time soon. Keyclone hasnt seen an updated since jun... so if I have to pay a little more for a program that will work with my games, that will push the envelop and continue to make innovative updates... then so be it.

As for his past...None of us are saints, I'd have to agree that a lot of us here have done shaddy things in the past. I know I have.

[zanthor]

As for his past...None of us are saints, I'd have to agree that a lot of us here have done shaddy things in the past. I know I have.

I cheated at checkers once... but I couldn't let my brother win!

[Suribusi]

I'm not going to harp on about the trustworthiness of Lax/Lavish like I did in the last thead but there is a very simple cost equation:

AFAIK Innerspace is a subscription based 'platform' that will cost you $10 per month (I assume there are lifetime subs, etc as well) and will not be gauranteed to be safe.

Keyclone will cost you a one time payment of $19.99 and is as safe as you can get in WoW third party tools thanks to the scrupulousness of it's maker.

The decision seem mind numbingly clear to me regardless of the number of ex ISXbotters who will vouch for Innerspace 'safety'.

Innerspace is $4/month, for up to 5 PCs. or $36/year if you buy a year subscription instead of monthly. There is also no recurring payment methods that you might get "trapped" into (Like how I have not been on xbox live in 5 months and should have canceled it, however they have gotten $5 x 5months out of me when I have not used their service). This way you can decide if you want to continue usage of Innerspace when your time expires, or never have to worry about it again if you forget about it.

I thought keyclone was $10 per PC, but maybe that has changed to 1 time $19.99 as I see on his site. I haven't really kept up on it that much.

-S

[Xzin]

But there's no real way for me, using hardware, to reliably say "I want to go to this x,y coordinate" using a mouse multiplexer.

Technically, this IS possible to do with a specially made hardware box.

[zanthor]

I thought keyclone was $10 per PC, but maybe that has changed to 1 time $19.99 as I see on his site. I haven't really kept up on it that much.

It's $20/pc.

So to wire up 5 machines it is $100, but thtas a one time thing... those of us who bought in legacy pricing got a good deal!

[Dragonshadow]

I thought keyclone was $10 per PC, but maybe that has changed to 1 time $19.99 as I see on his site. I haven't really kept up on it that much.

It's $20/pc.

So to wire up 5 machines it is $100, but thtas a one time thing... those of us who bought in legacy pricing got a good deal!

Or $36 a year for up to 5 PCs with innerspace.

Hmm.

$36 x 3 = $108

$108 for Three years of innerspace on those 5 PCs (you do it a year at a time... do you really think you will still be playing wow in 3 years? WoW is fun, but I'm betting blizz will kill it somehow)

I would go for the $36 a year solution lol.

[zanthor]

[quote='Dragonshadow',index.php?page=Thread&postID= 140295#post140295]Or $36 a year for up to 5 PCs with innerspace.

Hmm.

$36 x 3 = $108

$108 for Three years of innerspace on those 5 PCs (you do it a year at a time... do you really think you will still be playing wow in 3 years? WoW is fun, but I'm betting blizz will kill it somehow)

I would go for the $36 a year solution lol. [/quote]http://www.uoherald.com/news/

UO still has an active subscriber base and they went retail in [url='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_Online']1997[/url], I played that until Beta4 of EQ in late 98 or early 99... played EQ while checking EVERY other MMO that released until WoW let me into their Beta in 2004... In the four years since WoW released I haven't had any significant desire to look elsewhere, I'm happy with the gameplay and progression the game makes, and quite frankly, I don't see myself moving on to another MMO unless that drastically changes... Since Ultima Online is still live, and it's population peaked in 2003, I'd be disappointed if WoW doesn't see the 10 year mark.