Leaderless setup with HotKeyNet

[Metalocalypse]

..this comes down to 1 userkeypressing resulting in 2 different client-keypresses, and this is seen as automation. So never ever do that!

I'm not sure if I understand this correctly:

1) you're saying the way I'm doing it is automation and therefor bad, however it only works when I push the button. That's not automation as far as I can find out, I'm not using waits/sleeps or by one press a whole bunch of cogs n wheels start turning and I can go watch a movie.
I'm not doing this, all I'm doing is letting my alts hit an 'assist' macro in conjunction with the key I pressed and only then when I actually hit the key (like /click ActionButton).

2) if what I'm doing is wrong, how is sending shift/ctrl/alt keypresses (in various combinations of these buttons no less) to alts any different, you are sending 1 userkeypress to one screen and different clientkeypresses (which can be any combination usually 1/2 or even 3 other keypresses)to other screens. I don't understand how modifier keys (shift/ctrl/alt) could not be considered keypresses, because these keys definitely need to be pressed (or the alt windows need to think they are pressed) in order for the ftl setup to even function.

As you say, you can even use a '/click ActionButton' in a macro, which would mean that my 1 userkeypress results in 1 keypress that then is followed by another keypress because of it (making it 2 client keypresses). Of course this is being picky and taking the comparing of 2 different ways of doing things to an extreme.

Again, I'm not sure why the way of doing would be automation when the ones suggested are similar to what I'm doing.

[Anemo]

I think the general rule is 1 key 1 action. From a quick look at yours it would be 1 action to run the assist macro and 1 action to run the spell macro.

The difference with the usual FTL setup is you press 1 key and 1 macro is activated even though its sending through multiple keypresses.

Olipcs can you please give me an example of a macro with the nomod thing? Not quite sure of the best way of doing it. That could well solve your problem too Metalocalypse.

I've also updated my first post to change the examples to all being local PC since my setup really sucks. Also using a variation of olipcs code to allow for modifiers but requires hidden keys still.

Edit: I got home and tested it, works fine. Is there a real reason people use hidden keys then?

/assist [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt]CharA;[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift]CharB;[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl]CharC;[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift]CharD;[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift]CharE
/cast [nomod, harm] Lightning Bolt; [mod:shift, harm] Chain Lightning

Will still need hidden keys for the shift modifier but sure makes life a lot easier overall.

[olipcs]

Olipcs can you please give me an example of a macro with the nomod thing? Not quite sure of the best way of doing it. That could well solve your problem too Metalocalypse.

..well, its hard for me to give an example why using different slave and master-keys, because although it was in the original ftl-setup developed from Pcalypse an Deceased, i never realy used different.
I think the reason why they introduced different key for it was:

1. More solo-playability, meaning that, when you have different master and slave-keys, you can infact let the toon do another thing, if hes the master as he would do as he is a slave. Although it is a great concept, in my multi-class group i can not think of a situation where this comes in handy.
An (perhaps inpractical) example where you perhaps could use this might be in the typical 5-shaman group, if you say 'well, i want the main to allway be the heaer, and the slaves to allway dps. Then you can bind a macro which casts f.e. Healing Wave on the master-key and Lightning Bolt on the slave-key.

2. At the time the system was introduced, different master and slave keys were neccassary for having modifiers in the macros, like the one above.

So yes, if you don't need different master and slave keys, get rid of them! The concept is so generic, that it allows it

And btw.:
You don't need different master and slave keys for a macro like:

/assist [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt]CharA;[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift]CharB;[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl]CharC;[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift]CharD;[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift]CharE
/cast [nomod, harm] Lightning Bolt; [mod:shift, harm] Chain Lightning

you can do it, with one key (ok, technically its still 2 but its mor key and key+modfier like in the macro) if you modifiy your modifier-order to use the right version of shift,alt,ctrl (rshift,rctrl,ralt), and lshift for differentiating betwwen LB and CL.
This would look like:

/assist [mod:rctrl,mod:rshift,nomod:ralt]CharA;[mod:rctrl,mod:ralt,nomod:rshift]CharB;[mod:ralt,mod:rshift,nomod:rctrl]CharC;[mod:rctrl,mod:ralt,mod:rshift]CharD;[mod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,nomod:rshift]CharE
/cast [nomod:lshift, harm] Lightning Bolt; [mod:lshift, harm] Chain Lightning

for more info on that see: [HotKeyNet] Leaderless setup with HotKeyNet
..for me this works perfect and is intuitive to setup.

[Tanntyn]

Ok, I got it working ok. thanx for the help. I really appreciate it.
When you say it's a "hidden macro" what do you mean? I have macaroon and have the macro sitting on a hidden button with the key bound to it atm. Is this what you mean or am I REALLY missing something?
Again, thanx for all the help
Tann

[Anemo]

That is all I mean by a hidden macro. Just a macro on a button which you will never actually press yourself, only have it activated by hotkeynet.

Glad to hear you got it working

[Gair]

Anemo,

Do you need a special "add-in" to do the hidden macro? I still dont understand how you can attach a keystroke to a macro.

[Anemo]

No addons required, just drag the macro onto a hotbar and set that button to a key using the keybinding menu in WoW.

IE show right action bar 2 in interface options then go to keybinding menu and find right actionbar 2 and set whichever slot you have macro on to 't' or whatever hidden key is.

[olipcs]

Yes in generall you don't need an addon for the keybinding, simple drag the macro to an actionbar/button and assign a key to it.
If you prefer to never put it on an actionbutton in the firstplace you can use a addon like 'Bindpad' I think...

[Tanntyn]

I had a thought while setting up for 3 toons. In the macros, could I use party1, party2, etc instead of toon names? Wouldn't this make it easier to swap toons in and out of a group and not have any resetup to do?

[olipcs]

you could use party2, party3, but since normaly the order of your party members is different from each client i wouldn't do that.
Another problem you can run into with this is: what to do in bgs where your not in the same group..

..i would rather suggest to use the '/click' method (explained f.e. here ) to ease group changes.
By doing this you normaly only have 2 macros to change, the 'follwo'macro and the '/assist'-macro