Raidboxers, why shamans?

[Vyndree]

Also, Sam and prepared are not just shammies

I didn't say they were. Sam & Prepared are RAIDboxers, in that they both box enough characters that they must "convert to raid" in order to even have them in the same group.

The semicolon is a delimiter -- on a seperate note, people are panicking about the reduced efficiency of shaman stacking.

They are two seperate issues that are mildly related.

While I can't speak on behalf of Sam or Prepared, I can tell you that there are virtually no bosses (especially in WOTLK) that you can steamroll by simply bringing 25 of x-class to a "raid";

My translation: Since Sam and Prepared are the only ones with enough numbers to make this theorycraft possible (and who have not yet had the experience of firsthand knowledge yet), I don't believe bosses (especially in WOTLK) can be brute-forced by 25 multiboxed characters.

some people are even questoning the viability of the 5-man shaman setup for WoTLK, especially with the pure damage that NPC warrior/paladin types are issuing in instances.

My translation: Furthermore, 5-shaman groups are not as viable in wrath as they were in burning crusade. (which would therefore imply that Sam and Prepared's 25 man groups which are largely composed of shaman would be more successful in BC -- prepatch -- than they would in wrath -- postpatch -- thanks to shaman stacking)

As it appears to me, Rin was speaking in the context of multiboxing. Without that context, the phrase you bolded might not have been his opinion. He talks about Sam and Prepared, a common multiboxing comp (5x shaman), and further goes on to talk about his personal multiboxing comp. Therefore, the context of "I can tell you that there are virtually no bosses (especially in WOTLK) that you can steamroll by simply bringing 25 of x-class to a "raid"" looked like, to me, a comment made regarding a MULTIBOX'ed raid. You quoted the entire text -- without the additional context I could see why you would consider it to be an incorrect statement -- but I responded the way I did because you told him to "think outside the box" and I felt his observation was perfectly reasonable. You can't just focus on a partial quote, without context, and draw conclusions about what a person's opinion is -- I'd imagine Rin's opinion outside of multiboxing would be far different than his opinion considering multiboxing.

That's my interpretation of the post. It doesn't match yours and that's fine -- I'm just giving reason why I gave my response and why I feel that my response was nonthreatening (though you still seem to think otherwise).

P.S. You quoted the entire post, including the phrase above, in a thread about multiboxing and raids.

For clarity, you quoted this exactly (note that highlighting a sub-portion of a quote does not a single quote make):

Mana spring/healing stream are not raid wide. They stack, but for group play only. Imagine 25 x healing stream or mana spring totems, lol ;-)

The original poster was asking about raid groups being composed of all shaman. While I can't speak on behalf of Sam or Prepared, I can tell you that there are virtually no bosses (especially in WOTLK) that you can steamroll by simply bringing 25 of x-class to a "raid"; some people are even questoning the viability of the 5-man shaman setup for WoTLK, especially with the pure damage that NPC warrior/paladin types are issuing in instances.

Personally, I run ten characters: 4 shaman, 2 paladins, a priest, a druid, and two mages. The mixed classes really make a difference when it comes to end-game content, as encounters are specifically designed around you bringing N-number of certain class types to a raid. Besides, if every/any T5+ instance could be steamrolled by having all of one (especially caster based, in the case of shaman) class, hardcore players could get through the entire expansion (less attunement time) within weeks, probably not more than 6 weeks at best.

Also, besides being uber fun and awesome; outside of winterspring, and as someone has pointed out - outside of a city raid, there's not a lot of content where you can bring 30+ characters into, unless you're looking at the 40 mans, which you can do now with 1 group (max 2 groups) of decently equipped characters.

...when you meant to quote this...

I can tell you that there are virtually no bosses (especially in WOTLK) that you can steamroll by simply bringing 25 of x-class to a "raid";

Now, the first quote (the one you actually did) includes the context. The second quote puts words into Rin's mouth that I'm not sure he meant to say, because it's only a subset of a sentence. A subset of a sentence without the context around it, and of which you judged Rin for being close-minded. Was he really close-minded? Not according to context.

Now I'm fine with the fact that either I misunderstood you or you misunderstood the thread, but the hostility in your response and your not-so-subtle way of calling me an ass (particularly because I was unaware that I was doing something that warranted such a remark) is what's causing me to be incredibly clear about WHY I misunderstood you or you misunderstood the thread. There's no need to continue on about it. We know. There was a disjunct. It's done. It's clear. I know. You know. I still don't understand why you insist on being hostile, nor do I care to know why -- Can you simply please stop needling? I'm willing to drop the issue since it's no longer an issue.