Raidboxers, why shamans?

[Tasty]

And they have

They certainly have not

Just because someone jumps off a bridge, doesn't mean you should.

What if you're part of a cult? :P

[Toned]

You can 10-15 man Gruul ... the 3.02 patch made TBC bosses a joke.

[Tasty]

You can 10-15 man Gruul ... the 3.02 patch made TBC bosses a joke.

man they must have really toned them down. Still gruul is no laughing matter

[valkry]

You can 10-15 man Gruul ... the 3.02 patch made TBC bosses a joke.

Have you seen this ACTUALLY done? With which classes? With what kind of gear (i.e. do you expect each of the 25 to be wearing sunwell level gear?)

What about gruul's ground slams?

Of course, I'm under the impression we're talking about 3 5 boxer or more (1.5 10 boxers? 1 15 boxer?)

Nononono, I KID, I kid lol :thumbsup:

Yea, we did gruul the other night with 18 people, was easy, I think we hit growth 4. The whole instance has been done in under 6 mins though.

[algol]

What about gruul's ground slams?

Gruul is a wuss. I could see him being a bit of a pain to multibox, but nothing a spread out macro can't handle way better than most normal raids.

[Vyndree]

[quote='valkry',index.php?page=Thread&postID=138134 #post138134]What about gruul's ground slams?[/quote]

All I can say is [url='http://vboxing.net/v/tiki-view_blog_post.php?blogId=1&postId=25']I've done this pre-patch[/url], and it doesn't matter if you have a spread out macro. You get spread randomly -- so if you hit "spread out" and your guys are inverted... that means they're running TOWARDS each other.

I can very seriously say I only had one shaman standing at the end (my main). And I didn't start with 5. I only started with 2.

Yes, I couldn't even keep 2 shaman alive during the shatters.

[valkry]

If you stand behind a rock at the edge right beofre the big knock-about, you dont get punted anywhere. Then you have two options, just stay there so you are only in range of your other shammy and take the dmg from 1 person being close (easily live through) or spread out a bit (just strafe 1 guy away) but run the risk of getting closer to someone else.

As for 4 boxing, I went with 12 other people once. I split my team into 2 groups of 2. 1 team was at the back wall, sitting between a rock and the wall (on the sloped part of the wall so you can see over the top of the rock), but still in range of gruul, so they didnt even have to move at all, I just healed after every ground slam, and for the other 2 I used the above strat using the next rock along the wall. With only 16 people in the room, it is a lot easier to spread out. I had to spend 10 seconds at the start moving two guys over to the first rock, but then she was all sweet

[algol]

Tell them to follow the leader, they'll all face him and you can spread out from there.

[Rin]

Valkry,

I'm going to have to side with Vyndree on this one and state that you misintrepreted my point. I was responding to the initial thread topic, "Raidboxers, why shamans?"; the subject in itself poses the question, "As a raidboxer, why would you select a team composed of all shaman?" To setup my response, I used examples of other "raid"boxers (raidboxer being a subjective word, but I would think that we can consider a raid boxer to be anyone who has enough characters to fill a "raid" - whether it be a 10 man, 25 man, or 40 man; having an amount of characters equal to the raid ceiling would = "raidboxer"). The examples that I used were of Sam and Prepared, both of whom have teams largely comprised of shaman. And, while they both (especially Prepared) have other characters, at last glance, Sam runs all shaman and one paladin. A raidboxer would not be someone who only plays one character at a time, hence, that wouldn't make sense in the "boxer" context (which, I believe that we can all agree that someone who is touted as a "boxer" runs more than one character at a time).

Under that preface, my statements which questioned the viability and survival likelyhood of one person decimating bosses would hold true. Is it not true that one person playing 25 characters can single-handedly destroy Archimonde or any boss that requires a high level of coordination and percision? What about Mother Sharaz? What we have to understand here is that Blizzard intentionally builds encounters around certain classes; they have tried (sometimes for better or worse) to make it so every class has a role in a raid. That is not to say that a warrior tank should be required for a raid, but it is to say that a plate-type character (druid, warrior, paladin, and now even a Death Knight), should be required. Since encounters have been designed around these premises, it is imparative that you bring a "raid" composed of certain classes. Also, if you're level 80 and overgearing an encounter, most of these premises fail. When Oxynia was a "big deal" (excuse the slang), you didnt see 1 level 60 character soloing her; nor would you see 5 level 60 characters accomplishing the feat. People could not solo Oxynia until they learned the encounter and (eventually) outgeared/outleveled the encounter. The same holds true for every encounter in WoW. Would it be fun to take 25-40 characters at level 80 out to Doom Lord Kazzak and slay him in 10 casts? Sure. Does that mean that your 25-shaman team is viable for slaying the Lich King? No, and even if it were, if we look at the "end-game" encounters historacially, we can assume (yes, we can assume this by looking at past encounters) the encounter will surely require more than one tank.

Also, in my post, I had made a mention of the outdoor bosses, which I already pointed out - could be done by a raidboxer, with a team of x-class. Sorry if I didn't make my post as lucid as I would have intended; I was eating lunch at the time . I think that I may have ruffled some of your feathers, as your personal attack of "thinking outside the box" was a bit unwarranted, given the context of my post and the subject of the original author. Again, if we could, as Vyndree put it, "brute force" bosses, most of us would complete the WoTLK expansion at a record pace. Also, every guild would be a "top" guild, if all that we needed to do was stand in one spot and press a nuke key.

Cheers.

[Bigfish]

Though I haven't boxed them all together yet, I have 9 accounts with a 70, all different classes, and I fully intend to raid with all 10 classes once WotLK hits and I get some more boxes. I can see the appeal of shamans, but I like the variety of having a little of everything.