Alright I spoke with Lax, unlocking the thread. Please be civil hereafter, he's open to answer any questions/issues regarding the software.
Less meany sauce! :love:
Alright I spoke with Lax, unlocking the thread. Please be civil hereafter, he's open to answer any questions/issues regarding the software.
Less meany sauce! :love:
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What an epic thread, I can't believe that I didn't see it sooner!
[/quote]Originally Posted by Suvega',index.php?page=Thread&postID=135953#post13 5953][quote='Lax',index.php?page=Thread&postID=135951#po st135951]If you hadn't skipped most of this thread, you would have read that I am creating a separate standalone application for people like you, in addition to providing the more advanced and open capabilities of Inner Space. I also responded on a previous thread with regards to asking customer service. It's not up to them what is bannable or not, and most of them have no more idea about the function of a particular piece of software than you do. The canned response is using ANY third party software may risk your account, and Blizzard does not endorse any third party products for use with World of Warcraft.
What I [b]am[/b] trying to do is stop the spread of misinformation about my software that has come up on these forums from time to time, and is exacerbated by posts like yours randomly claiming that Inner Space is [i]illegal[/i], which it is certainly [i]not[/i].
Whether it is [i]bannable [/i]is up to Blizzard and Blizzard alone, and they have not been banning for Inner Space. *snip* People have been using Inner Space without those, for months.
[/quote]I didn't skip it, I was referencing it, and complimenting you while doing it (or did you skip that ;) ) I would love you to create a standalone click version of your software. Using innerspace is just asking for retaliation.
Using a platform that was the backbone for botting software, seems kinda risky.
Keyclone has successfully been answered by BLUE posters who did not respond with a canned response that you say.
Do that, until then you can "defend" your "legal" software, but until you have Blizzard acknowledging that innerspace is legal, keep it off our forums.
Btw, for people getting banned for innerspace (Who claim they wern't using botting software): Check this thread: [url]http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=442898670&sid=1&pageNo=1[/url][/quote]
I don't want to jump on anyones intelligence here, so don't take this that way. But the fact that you believe some random poster on the wow forums...is...interesting. In the CS forums, there is always more than meets the eye to what people "claim" they were doing, or "not" doing. I think you know this already, and might just be choosing things that support your thoughts and ignoring others. Maybe I'm wrong. :)
[quote='Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=13595 4#post135954][quote='Lax',index.php?page=Thread&postID=135951#po st135951]Whether it is bannable is up to Blizzard and Blizzard alone, and they have not been banning for Inner Space. [/quote]
This is the bit that I'm not so sure about. I could've sworn I saw posts of people who claimed they were banned for IS without the use of botting scripts when playing WoW.
Of course, since I have no proof to back this up (my memory is decent, but not perfect -- most of these people on the forums know my reference-linking skillz ;) ) -- I say take that as you will. Personally, I wouldn't trust the developer of a bannable software to admit that it was bannable either -- but I have no proof of it so I will let people make their own investigations and decisions with fair warning.
[quote='Lax',index.php?page=Thread&postID=135951#po st135951]Blizzard does not endorse any third party products for use with World of Warcraft. [/quote]
Untrue.
[url]http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765637958&pageNo=1&sid=1#8[/url]
[quote='GM Malkorix
Interesting link. However the last line sticks out more in my eyes, than the top, where he/she summarizes by saying
Keyclone, Innerspace, AHK, Octopus, etc allow you to stay within this area. I thought I had more to add, but it is late and I can't think. Not really making or proving any type of point, just a matter of interrpretation I guess.
It "should" be okay. I have been using IS for a long time with no problems, as I have stated in another thread.
Side note: I don't know really what all the flaming in these threads is all about. All I can tell from my perspective is that some people here just don't understand all the facts. They overwrite it with their own fiction.
-S
WoW... just wow. You are wrong. What information do you have that I don't?
I can tell you what information I have that you don't..... I have THE FACTS. You should read every post in this thread and learn something before making such insane statements.
-j
I'm lost for words with this thread. Several esteemed members of this community have pretty much reduced themselves to salvating morons. You guys really need to do some proper research before you even *THINK* about posting in this thread again, after all, that is what we are all about.
Wilbur
Well I’m going to say this over my time playing wow (3years) I’ve tried just about everything, Glider, innerspace (with ISXwow / warden), keyclone, and innerspace (alone).
Glider and ISXwow / warden are umm "bad" they will get you banned at some point .. you play with fire you get burnt.
For the past few months I have ran a combo of inner space and keyclone (solo) .. (depends on what I was doing at the time) and I’ve got no bans or warnings.
You say that using a platform that was also used for botting brings bad press to the world of multiboxing .... Are you kidding me? I’m sorry but if anything gets multiboxing ToSed .. It’s the people who run 36 accounts at once (front page) and do so in public places like Shatt and then post screens here and other forums. Those are the people who draw attention and negative press.
I don’t care what the forum blue posts say, multiboxing is a "gray" area and is not endorsed, ATM just because they say its "ok" does not mean they approve of it .. that just means they dont feel it’s a major issue at the present time. multiboxing will change soon enough in the eyes of blizzard I’m sure of it.
What really makes me laugh... Most of the people in here saying inner space / lax are the devil... prob have tried inner space before or will try it in the near future if his program provides multiboxer to something to your advantage.
It doesn't matter how much you keep repeating this or bleating on about the fine distinction between a platform and the bot that uses the platform because it's not relevant to the issue.
You are not trustworthy.
I would not trust you to write a program that would be safe to use with WoW.
Edit: Thought of a couple of pertinent questions for Lax
1. Does the InnerSpace 'platform' attempt to conceal itself from WoW in any way?
2. Is the Innerspace 'platform' capable of reading or scanning memory/data of WoW in any way?
3. Do people have to pay for Innerspace or Clickboxer?
The first two questions should answer the legality issue of InnerSpace quite firmly - because if IS attempts to conceal itself or read memory then it is definitely not safe to use.
The last question is a bit more entertaining. I'm assuming that the bot that runs on the InnerSpace 'platform' has been stopped and thus Lax is rather out of pocket recently becasue AFAIK IS requires a subscription to use. So I imagine that Lax has cast his greedy eye over multiboxers and said to himself something like 'ooh, there's a grey area where I can wrangle some subscriptions with a little addon, and those multiboxers have plenty of money or they wouldn't be able to afford all those accounts'.
Obviously I may be doing Lax a disservice here and perhaps he is planning on releasing his tool for free as part of a commitment to the community, but I doubt it, he just doesn't seem that lavish in his gifts.
In the words of The Dude, "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."It doesn't matter how much you keep repeating this or bleating on about the fine distinction between a platform and the bot that uses the platform because it's not relevant to the issue.
You are not trustworthy.
I would not trust you to write a program that would be safe to use with WoW.
Thank you for your opinion. We have read it 3 times now. You can stop repeating it any time. If you don't want to use it, then don't use it. People will make their own decisions, I am helping them make an informed one.
Ditto, we've all seen your opinion too, and a lot more than 3 times too, it would be nice if you stopped repeating the same thing as well.
I edited my post while you were writing yours - try answering the questions above.
1. In order to work properly with many games, Inner Space needs to be as indistinguishable as possible from Windows itself as possible. Inner Space as a platform does not attempt to conceal itself from Warden, which has the capability to detect Inner Space.
2. Inner Space does not change the capability of reading or scanning memory. That functionality is built into your processor and additionally in Windows. Being in-process means that you do not need any functionality beyond what World of Warcraft itself is doing, using your CPU. There is no additional functionality in Inner Space for this.
3. Inner Space is subscription-based. ClickBoxer is an XML file, you can view the entire source file (it is short), and in fact it would be essentially useless without that. ClickBoxer is free, you can grab it right now, but it would only be useful to you via Inner Space.
4. As I mentioned previously, my company started in 2004 as a company providing services to multi-boxers, including Sam, the original poster of the thread. I don't know where you get off calling me greedy. Anyone who runs a business wants to make money. KeyClone requires you to pay for it, does it not? I dont understand your hostility.
Edit: Oh, and if you wanted something for nothing, you can feel free to apply for a free 7 day trial of Inner Space, which would then allow you to try ClickBoxer, for free.
Apparently not everyone, because all of your questions were answered already in this section of the forums. Maybe of 4th time will help. 8|Ditto, we've all seen your opinion too, and a lot more than 3 times too, it would be nice if you stopped repeating the same thing as well.
I edited my post while you were writing yours - try answering the questions above.
-S
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