Clickboxer - new key broadcasting software

[Suvega]

3. They can ban you for whatever they want, but they typically restrict banning to violations of the Terms of Service. They don't want to randomly ban people for things they didn't warn against, because that would be bad business and their banned customer would have a legitimate complaint against their service.

You can keep your opinion and go on thinking it's bannable, but stop spreading FUD.

See above on the Customer Service Post. Do that, until then I find it "Asking for it", when you create software on a platform which was known to be the base of several botting programs.

Lax, I'm sure your a talented developer, I would just highly advise staying far away from something this controversial when making software for a practice (multiboxing), which already gets accused of botting by the uninformed. Just build something standalone imo.

[zanthor]

Sorry, not trying to vilanify Lax, I just don't want people hawking very shady things on this forum.

We get enough "ZOMG BOTS" as it is, before we start using software which was the, ehem, "platform" for which several bots built themselves on...

Then why aren't you in every thread about AutoHotKey screaming the same way? This certainly seems to be a very hot spot for you, but it really makes you seem unreasonable.

[Vyndree]

Because my server is failboating right now, I figured I'd add some additional logic to this post.

1) Blizzard can ban you for sneezing the wrong way. It's true. I'd like to think that they're a benevolent diety, though. So, since they define the "spirit of the game" they can ban anything they want.
2) Blizzard has made it clear that bots are not inline with the spirit of the game. I think we all agree on that.
3) Innerspace is associated with a botting program that is currently in a legal mess with Blizzard. Innerspace is also associated with other scripts that only run and were written FOR the Innerspace platform and whose sole purpose is to bot.
POINT A: Innerspace has the capability of being a platform for bots.
4) You do not need to be involved in a legal mess in order to get banned from WoW. Glider users were banned LONG before the lawsuit. Other bots were never involved in legal software and were also banned.
POINT B: A program does not have to have a legal struggle with Blizzard in order to be bannable from WoW
5) From Lax's description, Innerspace either reads or resides within WoW's memory.
6) From the precedent currently being made by the legal squabble between MDY (Glider) and Blizzard, programs that futz with WoW as it resides in memory are making illegal copies/alterations of WoW that are not covered in the licence/terms. This is gray area as the legal battle is not complete.
POINT C: Fussing with WoW as it resides in memory is gray area
7) Innerspace, as a name, is highly associated with botting programs.
8) Multiboxers, as a community, are often misassociated with botters. Multiboxers, in general, would prefer that this no longer happens.

... you see where I'm going here?

[Suvega]

Sorry, not trying to vilanify Lax, I just don't want people hawking very shady things on this forum.

We get enough "ZOMG BOTS" as it is, before we start using software which was the, ehem, "platform" for which several bots built themselves on...

Then why aren't you in every thread about AutoHotKey screaming the same way? This certainly seems to be a very hot spot for you, but it really makes you seem unreasonable.

Because it doesn't live in the process space, and doesn't allow the read or change of memory, nor has it been associated with botting software for the past few years....

[Lax]

3. They can ban you for whatever they want, but they typically restrict banning to violations of the Terms of Service. They don't want to randomly ban people for things they didn't warn against, because that would be bad business and their banned customer would have a legitimate complaint against their service.

You can keep your opinion and go on thinking it's bannable, but stop spreading FUD.

See above on the Customer Service Post. Do that, until then I find it "Asking for it", when you create software on a platform which was known to be the base of several botting programs.

Lax, I'm sure your a talented developer, I would just highly advise staying far away from something this controversial when making software for a practice (multiboxing), which already gets accused of botting by the uninformed. Just build something standalone imo.

If you hadn't skipped most of this thread, you would have read that I am creating a separate standalone application for people like you, in addition to providing the more advanced and open capabilities of Inner Space. I also responded on a previous thread with regards to asking customer service. It's not up to them what is bannable or not, and most of them have no more idea about the function of a particular piece of software than you do. The canned response is using ANY third party software may risk your account, and Blizzard does not endorse any third party products for use with World of Warcraft.

People wrote bots using Inner Space, sure, but that does not mean that Inner Space is botting software. People also write bots using Windows. Inner Space is just a platform.

I am also not, as I explained in a previous thread and mentioned in this one in passing, trying to convince you that it is safe to use. You would never take the word of the program's author for whether it is safe or not, and I am well aware of that. Whether Inner Space is safe or not will become more apparent as time passes and more and more people reinforce it. You don't need to take my word for it. Safe is a relative term, all it means is that people have been using it, and not been getting banned for it. The same would be true for Octopus and KeyClone. That could change tomorrow, for any software.

What I am trying to do is stop the spread of misinformation about my software that has come up on these forums from time to time, and is exacerbated by posts like yours randomly claiming that Inner Space is illegal, which it is certainly not. Whether it is bannable is up to Blizzard and Blizzard alone, and they have not been banning for Inner Space. They could if they wanted to, they have the capabilities, they are well aware of Inner Space and what it does, but they are FAR more concerned about ISXWarden and ISXWoW than Inner Space, and as I mentioned in this thread at least once, you will get banned within 20 minutes for using ISXWoW from what I am told by people who tried. People have been using Inner Space without those, for months.

Also, people build bots with autohotkey. Lots of them. Google it.

[zanthor]

POINT A: Innerspace has the capability of being a platform for bots.

As does C#, C++, AutoIT, AutoHotKey, etc.

POINT B: A program does not have to have a legal struggle with Blizzard in order to be bannable from WoW

This applies to ANY 3rd party software including KeyClone.

Because it doesn't live in the process space, and doesn't allow the read or change of memory, nor has it been associated with botting software for the past few years....

Doesn't live in the process space I'll give you, but for memory space it was requested in this thread (http://www.autohotkey.com/forum/topic2960.html) in 2004, and the guy says he had it working in there, I haven't checked for current support... and as far as associated with botting, the FIRST thing I thought when I saw AutoHotKey was "gee, isn't that used for fishing bots too?"

[Suvega]

If you hadn't skipped most of this thread, you would have read that I am creating a separate standalone application for people like you, in addition to providing the more advanced and open capabilities of Inner Space. I also responded on a previous thread with regards to asking customer service. It's not up to them what is bannable or not, and most of them have no more idea about the function of a particular piece of software than you do. The canned response is using ANY third party software may risk your account, and Blizzard does not endorse any third party products for use with World of Warcraft.

What I am trying to do is stop the spread of misinformation about my software that has come up on these forums from time to time, and is exacerbated by posts like yours randomly claiming that Inner Space is illegal, which it is certainly not.

Whether it is bannable is up to Blizzard and Blizzard alone, and they have not been banning for Inner Space. *snip* People have been using Inner Space without those, for months.

I didn't skip it, I was referencing it, and complimenting you while doing it (or did you skip that ) I would love you to create a standalone click version of your software. Using innerspace is just asking for retaliation.

Using a platform that was the backbone for botting software, seems kinda risky.

Keyclone has successfully been answered by BLUE posters who did not respond with a canned response that you say.

Do that, until then you can "defend" your "legal" software, but until you have Blizzard acknowledging that innerspace is legal, keep it off our forums.


Btw, for people getting banned for innerspace (Who claim they wern't using botting software): Check this thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...sid=1&pageNo=1

[Vyndree]

Yup, keyclone is fine.

[Vyndree]

POINT A: Innerspace has the capability of being a platform for bots.

As does C#, C++, AutoIT, AutoHotKey, etc.

POINT B: A program does not have to have a legal struggle with Blizzard in order to be bannable from WoW

This applies to ANY 3rd party software including KeyClone.

Because it doesn't live in the process space, and doesn't allow the read or change of memory, nor has it been associated with botting software for the past few years....

Doesn't live in the process space I'll give you, but for memory space it was requested in this thread (http://www.autohotkey.com/forum/topic2960.html) in 2004, and the guy says he had it working in there, I haven't checked for current support... and as far as associated with botting, the FIRST thing I thought when I saw AutoHotKey was "gee, isn't that used for fishing bots too?"

As I said, those are just points. No more, no less. The reader can make their own conclusions based off those points (as they are only meant to be true/false). My thoughts on AHK are very clear above.

I'm just outlining the major points of the argument that lead to a conclusion of "gray area". If something is "gray area", I don't use it.

[Ellay]

Just took a look at this thread, I need to lock it until I get more details. Check your PM's Lax