Clickboxer - new key broadcasting software

[Aethon]

Hey, don't hate on Glider, it got me and several people I know into legitamate multiboxing from botting. Well, that and RaF, the only reason I botted was for another alt. Never did any BG botting, or farming or other crap. Hate on the people that use it to farm battlegrounds with poor profiles (I'll be honest, some of those bots do way more HK's and damage then I can by hand) and hate on the ones that keep killing the mobs that drop primals. (I noticed botters don't really keep the prices of mats low, I just always thought they did)

[Sam DeathWalker]

Logictech G15, Norstrom N52 and Siateke Pro Garmmer (not sure I got those right but you know what I mean), can all be used to insert pauses between casts or whatever which is bannable and no one is suggesting you don't use them because of that. A person can easily cheat in WoW with a G15, so based on the fact that Logitech puts out a product that allows you to cheat in wow you are not going to buy ANY logitech product lol ....

WinEQ2 is not bannable in EQ.

I recommend WinEQ2 to anyone who plays EQ, and I recommend Keyclone to anyone who plays WoW. When I have time ill look into any new product and if its legal and usefull I am sure I will use it.

Ya no doubt many would find some of the products Lax has very questionable, (and I would be wary of using IS myself), but so what I say. He is going ligit with some appaently ligit products, why not help him out.

Of course Rob and Keyclone have both also been spectacular, but its the strenght of the products that will convince me one way or the other, not the history of who made them.

Ok lets assume that plain vinilla IS is ligit, why allow hooks into it that lets it be quesionable. No one can hook into WinEQ2 so WinEQ2 is ALWAYS ligit. Sell clickboxer as a standalone by combining its code into whatever IS code is needed to run then stripping out the IS stuff that allows hooks. I think the model you used with WinEQ2 is the best.

[elsegundo]

I have gotten some private messages, from people who originally posted on the previous thread hating on Inner Space, thanking me for explaining the difference between Inner Space and the added software that would have to be downloaded elsewhere, as they had no idea that there was any distinction.

ok thank you very much for the reply. it really has explained a lot regarding this matter. and im glad a lot of people are chiming in as well, as i know there are quite a few people reading this who are pretty clueless as to what the program actually does.

[Lax]

Ok lets assume that plain vinilla IS is ligit, why allow hooks into it that lets it be quesionable. No one can hook into WinEQ2 so WinEQ2 is ALWAYS ligit. Sell clickboxer as a standalone by combining its code into whatever IS code is needed to run then stripping out the IS stuff that allows hooks. I think the model you used with WinEQ2 is the best.

The point of Inner Space is that it is an open platform, for any type of in-game development. This means that people developing applications like keyclone, like octopus, like clickboxer, like X-Fire for that matter, features like Picture-in-Picture and so on, can use a common platform and not have to worry about developing the inner architecture. It means that developing those applications does not take an immense amount of skill, thus the demonstration of ClickBoxer, a complete application in itself that can be incredibly useful. It means that in due time, there will be dozens of new applications like these, that can be used together in Inner Space, along with a bunch of other tools (such as the Ventrilo interface I mentioned).

However, the next generation of WinEQ 2, called Cerberus, is in development. It will provide all of the features people are talking about here between my products and others, and will only include Lavish-developed features (cannot be extended, as with WinEQ 2, and this will include improved PIP, tiling, key distribution in any fashion, support for other input devices, a Ventrilo interface, and lots of others). That is both good and bad, because the feature set will rely entirely on me, and there will undoubtedly be a host of features created by Inner Space users that will not make it into Cerberus simply for that fact. But, it will serve to allay fear of banning for some of the population. At some point soon I will have other more interesting news.

[Xzin]

Lax,

I consider myself a fairly intelligent person. But what EXACTLY does Innerspace let you do? I have been to the website and downloaded it and tested it. You are clearly an intelligent and capable coder and I want to give IS a fair analysis rather than jump to conclusions on it. I follow and generally agree with you that IS is not in and of itself a botting tool. It unfairly (?) gets a bad wrap due to its association with plugins but the last time I went to your website and took a look at IS, it just wasn't clear to me EXACTLY what it was. I think that is where some of the confusion comes about. It is a software (DirectX?) development platform for what exactly? What EXACTLY does it let you do? I have yet to really figure that out and combine that with the fact that people can and have written some TOS/EULA violating plugins for it, one tends to jump to the conclusion that IS is an inherently "bad" software. Bad in the eyes of Blizzard anyway. But please - can you explain to me exactly what it is in simple terms? What can IS do as an example?

P.S. I don't like how it (and KeyClone) phones home.

[Xzin]

The point of Inner Space is that it is an open platform, for any type of in-game development. This means that people developing applications like keyclone, like octopus, like clickboxer, like X-Fire for that matter, features like Picture-in-Picture and so on, can use a common platform and not have to worry about developing the inner architecture. It means that developing those applications does not take an immense amount of skill, thus the demonstration of ClickBoxer, a complete application in itself that can be incredibly useful.

Well that kind of helps explain it a bit. Speeds up the coding process because you are not starting from scratch but are instead working from a prebuilt framework. Less portability though, I would assume?

[Vyndree]

Dead horse... really guys...

AutoHotKey has an easily available fishing bot out... using this will get you banned. Using AutoHotKey will not. Same fish, different scales.

That's why (at least in my post) I made it clear that it's my PERSONAL OPINION. I, PERSONALLY, would never use any product that would allow me to unwittingly stumble my way into the area of botting.

As a hardware boxer, I've pretty much taken it to the extreme. There is no way I can program a delay into my setup. There is no way that I could automatically make actions with my setup.

If there's a way to accidentally trip over myself and end up with a bannable action using AHK, InnerSpace, whatever... I, personally, want no part in it. Many people use AHK, G15s, and the like without issue -- I just don't prefer not to.

[Lax]

Well that kind of helps explain it a bit. Speeds up the coding process because you are not starting from scratch but are instead working from a prebuilt framework. Less portability though, I would assume?

Exactly, it takes only minutes, and only a little bit of knowledge, in order to set up ClickBoxer or a new interface like it. Other things obviously would take more work and knowledge, but these programs can be as simple or as complex as anyone wants. If you want to set up round-robin key distribution, Inner Space provides everything you need in order to do it. If you want to set up Picture-in-Picture, Inner Space provides everything you need in order to do it. There is no figuring out how to get your application to run with World of Warcraft or other games, because the platform is already available.

As far as portability, applications would only run under Inner Space. I believe that is what you were asking, but for more information: Inner Space runs in Linux (via Wine or Cedega, etc), and people have had varied degrees of success using it on MacOS X with the same or similar software (or by using Parallels). There are some bugs in the Wine Direct3D implementation, but last time I went to the Wine community to provide information, they tried to tell me I should just write my application native for Linux instead (no thanks). And Inner Space runs on Windows XP SP2 or later (Vista, Server 2008, etc) 32 or 64-bit.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Hummm looks like my Win2K systems are getting to be out of the loop heh ....

I dont think I have to worry about being accused of cheating cause I die way to much ...

[Souca]

In what manner does IS interact with the WoW client? Does it behave as a DirectInput device to send key or mouse clicks? Does it have access to any client memory? Can an addon running in WoW communicate with IS, which I assume is running external to the client and not as a addon, and can IS send info back to that addon in a manner other than keystrokes or mouse clicks? When multiboxing with IS, you mention clicking a in game UI button which then triggers actions on other clients; how is that message sent to the other clients?

Sorry for the specific technical questions, but like Xzin, I want to understand how IS works.

- Souca -