Clickboxer - new key broadcasting software

[Vyndree]

http://www.joomla.org/

Joomla sounds an aweful lot like the portal software that the sites running...

That's what I first thought as well.

Lavishsoft was involved with the whole Glider vs Blizzard Entertainment legal thing that just recently was ruled in Blizzard's favor.

I would not feel comfortable trusting that a software company that was heavily involved in Glider (along with its own botting endeavours) with making a product thats use is inline with WoW ToU/Eula. That's my personal opinion, for those who are about to jump on me for making some sort of official dual-boxing.com announcement. My personal opinion extends to things like AHK as well (which can also program delays/bots if used improperly). I believe Innerspace (minus the bot) was marketed as a "safe" product to use with world of warcraft, and users of that product (who did not use the botting scripts) still got banned due to Innerspace sniffing around at WoW's memory -- I don't remember my source for this so take it with a grain of salt.

In any case, since the subject is "vs Keyclone" all I can say is that Rob (Keyclone) has made it very clear that he has no plans to create any features that could be used (or misused) to break the WoW ToU/Eula. That right there is a feature in and of its own.

[Lax]

Hi Sam, happy to see you mentioning my products here We recently had a conversation along these lines in another thread. ClickBoxer does in fact require Inner Space to function, and I will try to clear up your confusion as to what Inner Space is all about, while I also respond to the others.

First a quick description of ClickBoxer, and why it exists:
ClickBoxer is a demonstration and sample interface to show, much like in the video on the Multi-boxing with Inner Space link, that it is both possible and simplistic to create an in-game interface to help multi-box. The interface can be customized to your heart's content, can fade in and out, minimalist, have a thousand buttons, or whatever makes you happy. Inner Space has had the feature set since its release, but most people, like those in this thread, tended to see Inner Space's capabilities as meaning "this is great for botting". It's also great for many other things, and in fact was originally going to BE the next generation of WinEQ 2. This is also not the first multi-boxing UI for Inner Space, as others have been posted on another site (the one Suribusi uses was customized from an interface posted a few years back). It's just the first one simplified into a single XML interface file and promoted on the site. I've had plenty of people send me e-mails thanking me for ClickBoxer, used with World of Warcraft and other games.

... and on down the thread.
RobinGBRown, I find it particularly funny that anyone would say

Now Lax has got his dirty digits into multiboxing it's only a matter of time before we all get banned. I wouldn't trust the guy who dealt in a major bot to produce a multiboxing tool that was legit.

As the Original Poster would tell you, I have been into multiboxing for many years. Sam has been using (or used) WinEQ 2 for years for window management. To say what you're saying, RobinGBrown, is simply ignorant. And what "major bot" did I deal in? I would love to hear what you think I'm involved in.

To sum up the discussion in the other thread, Inner Space is not a bot. It has never been a bot. It has never been marketed as a bot. There is a difference between Inner Space vanilla, and Inner Space for botting World of Warcraft. One you download from the web site Sam linked. The other requires you to seek out and find custom software, not produced by the company that produces Inner Space, elsewhere -- one to protect you from Warden, one to install World of Warcraft libraries in Inner Space, and then you would additionally download one of the actual bots. None of that stuff is available or promoted from the Inner Space web site. In fact, the software that would protect you from Warden has not been available for months, and you can assume that Blizzard is well aware of that fact.

Inner Space vanilla does not violate the World of Warcraft Terms of Service -- and violating the ToS is what gets you banned. Many products CAN be used to violate the Terms of Service, including many of the tools people discuss on this site, and that of course includes Inner Space. However, it is up to you NOT to violate the ToS. Warden is not seeking out nor banning for Inner Space, and people on these forums do reinforce that on their own and have been using Inner Space in World of Warcraft for months. However, if you load the custom software described in the previous paragraph (any of which DOES violate the ToS) into Inner Space, you can expect a ban within 20 minutes, so I'm told by the people who have tried. Personally, I play the old fashioned way, I don't load the software described when I use Inner Space in World of Warcraft, and my account is in good standing without even a Warning.

There is nothing more legitimate about KeyClone than Inner Space or Octopus or any other product. To say there is is simply silly. They can ban for any of them at any time, if they wish to do so. Tomorrow they could change their minds and decide to ban all KeyClone users. They will not likely ban for KeyClone, Inner Space, or Octopus, however, because none of the three violates the Terms of Service to my knowledge. Besides, Blizzard is not trying to alienate their own customer base, and multi-boxing is not an activity they want to eradicate. All I can say at this point is that I have had these kinds of conversations with my attorney.

You guys can support Rob all you like, that's up to you and there is obviously nothing wrong with it, but as I believe the community rules state, "Community hating" is not allowed on dual-boxing.com. I'm also told that Rob and others received the same hatorade treatment when they started posting on dual-boxing.com. I have gotten some private messages, from people who originally posted on the previous thread hating on Inner Space, thanking me for explaining the difference between Inner Space and the added software that would have to be downloaded elsewhere, as they had no idea that there was any distinction. Some of them are now learning more about Inner Space by way of free trial, or even paid for a subscription.

You don't need to think it's as safe as KeyClone or Octopus if you don't want to. But don't go spreading FUD.

[eqjoe]

There is a fundamental truth that some of us need to understand.....

InnerSpace is not a bot. InnerSpace works with most games and is used for things like adding a Ventrilo UI to EQ2, EvE, Vangard, AoC and yes, even WoW. InnerSpace can NOT even be part of a bot for any game without the use of extra software known as an extension. Lax has nothing to do with extensions. InnerSpace and Lavishsoft do not promote the use of any extension that could be used for botting.

InnerSpace does one thing that none of the other key broadcasting tools here do. IS allows you to broadcast keystrokes to many clients, sure, but you can build your own UI which allows you to initiate those broadcasts by clicking a UI button. Rather than broadcasting the keystroke when you push "F" that is assigned to all your clients to a macro that runs the macro "/follow BigUglyTank", you can click a UI element that simply broadcasts "/follow BigUglyTank" to all your clients. You no longer have the need to create client macros unless you really want to. You are no longer limited to they number of spare keys on your keyboard.....

-j

[Lax]

Lavishsoft was involved with the whole Glider vs Blizzard Entertainment legal thing that just recently was ruled in Blizzard's favor.

I would not feel comfortable trusting that a software company that was heavily involved in Glider (along with its own botting endeavours) with making a product thats use is inline with WoW ToU/Eula.

In the interest of full disclosure:

Neither of these are quite true. Firstly, I was never heavily involved in Glider. In 2006 I made a deal with MDY to provide him with protection from Warden. That is not Lavish Software, that is me individually, there is a difference and Lavish Software does not produce nor market Warden protection. Obviously, yes, there is a link between me and Lavish Software, so you can consider that the link, but the deal was not between Lavish and MDY. What MDY has received to date is information. I told them how to fix their problem at the time to stop their users from getting banned. The rest of the deal was to provide MDY with technology to protect their users on a continual basis, however the technology was not yet provided due to escalations of the court case, and Glider has never used any of my code. That is the extent of my involvement with Glider.

Secondly, the court case is not over. It goes to trial in January. There has been a lot of talk about the $6,000,000, but it is stipulated damages. Basically that means that if damages are awarded at trial, that is the number both sides agreed upon. There is no guarantee that damages will be awarded, and MDY will of course try to appeal in a higher court that does have the authority to overturn the precedent case or cases in the 9th circuit that the judge noted he had to follow.

I was deposed in November 2007 with regards to the extent of my involvement with MDY. Excerpts of my deposition have been used by Blizzard as exhibits in their case. I sat and spoke with Shane McGee, Blizzard's legal counsel (forgive me if this is the wrong term for Mr. McGee, as Blizzard also has an internal legal team afaik), as well as Lance Venable, MDY's legal counsel, at that deposition for a few hours. The deposition was cut short, because Shane McGee had assumed that I must have used Glider at some point, and that I could answer questions about its function or purpose. I have never used Glider, and went on record with that under oath, and I couldn't answer the most basic questions about it other than "it's a bot". But, we did chat for some time in my deposition about Inner Space, ISXWarden, ISXWoW, and bots. Suffice it to say that he knows more about it now than most of the people on these forums, and that as Blizzard's legal counsel, he probably spoke with them about it and/or showed them the entire transcript of my deposition.

And after all of this, they're not banning for Inner Space vanilla, if that is any consolation.

I have produced and distributed multi-boxing software for much longer than these forums have existed. I would love to hear anyone claim that I put features in WinEQ 2 to get them banned. As I explained on the other thread, it would be a very bad business decision for me to implement features in any of my software that I am promoting as "at least as safe to use as KeyClone and Octopus" that would get anyone banned. As I have been in business for 4 and a half years now, I don't see that happening any time soon, as I've been running a legitimate business the entire time.

[zanthor]

Dead horse... really guys...

AutoHotKey has an easily available fishing bot out... using this will get you banned. Using AutoHotKey will not. Same fish, different scales.

[Souca]

[quote='zanthor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=13581 5#post135815]Dead horse... really guys...

AutoHotKey has an easily available fishing bot out... using this will get you banned. Using AutoHotKey will not. Same fish, different scales.[/quote]

I don't use AutoHotKey because it has the capacity to run scripts. IS also has the capacity to run scripts. It's not a matter of whether IS or AHK can be used within the TOS/EULA for me; it's that they come with features built in that can be turned on to violate them.

[quote]
Automation (Scripting) and Commands - Inner Space features a scriptable command shell through our LavishScript engine. This can be accessed through the Console and in various other ways. Inner Space also provides .NET 2.0 support in process.
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From [url='http://www.lavishsoft.com/wiki/index.php/Inner_Space#Kernel']http://www.lavishsoft.com/wiki/index.php/Inner_Space#Kernel[/url]

Run existing AutoIt v2 scripts and enhance them with new capabilities.

From http://www.autohotkey.com/

If I have gotten something wrong in the above post, please provide me with a correction and a source. I don't want to spread misinformation or FUD.

- Souca -

[oMek]

Dead horse... really guys...

AutoHotKey has an easily available fishing bot out... using this will get you banned. Using AutoHotKey will not. Same fish, different scales.

I don't use AutoHotKey because it has the capacity to run scripts. IS also has the capacity to run scripts. It's not a matter of whether IS or AHK can be used within the TOS/EULA for me; it's that they come with features built in that can be turned on to violate them.

Automation (Scripting) and Commands - Inner Space features a scriptable command shell through our LavishScript engine. This can be accessed through the Console and in various other ways. Inner Space also provides .NET 2.0 support in process.

From http://www.lavishsoft.com/wiki/index...r_Space#Kernel

Run existing AutoIt v2 scripts and enhance them with new capabilities.

From http://www.autohotkey.com/

If I have gotten something wrong in the above post, please provide me with a correction and a source. I don't want to spread misinformation or FUD.

- Souca -

yes they can run scrips, that is upto the USER to run them or not. if you break the TOS and get banned via IS that is your decision and your fault.

and dont forget IS was not made for WoW, ALOT of other directX games that IS is used for run "scripts" which do not violate TOS rules.

INNER SPACE IS A DIRECTX PLATFORM!!

if you dont like it.. dont use it, simple. but dont go around spewin hate for IS and lax.. its uncalled for. if you want to hate on a bot go yell at mmoglider users, aka wowglider.

[Souca]

if you dont like it.. dont use it, simple. but dont go around spewin hate for IS and lax.. its uncalled for. if you want to hate on a bot go yell at mmoglider users, aka wowglider.

I don't recall ever spewing hate. I made a statement and provided a basis for my opinion.

- Souca -

[oMek]

if you dont like it.. dont use it, simple. but dont go around spewin hate for IS and lax.. its uncalled for. if you want to hate on a bot go yell at mmoglider users, aka wowglider.

I don't recall ever spewing hate. I made a statement and provided a basis for my opinion.

- Souca -

yes, im sorry that wasent aimed at you. i just happend to quote your post and then went on alittle rant. it was for some of the other people in this thread.

[eqjoe]

Dead horse... really guys...

AutoHotKey has an easily available fishing bot out... using this will get you banned. Using AutoHotKey will not. Same fish, different scales.

QFT and to the point.

-j