Keyclone - Got an email from a Blizzard friend

[Gallo]

So will Blizzard hypothetically Ban people for using this feature, or for using keyclone at all?

[Team_Supa]

Easy way to avoid the ban hammer is by alerting GM of what you are doing and how you are doing it , and taking screen shots.

Once they are clear and agree that it is all fine, then you have justification.

Also theres ways of hiding things from warden, and im sure keyclone can just build in a special hide or random header renaming feature for it anyway.

None the less editing the config file is fine.
Editing textures / terrain / dlls / hex / in out stream is not

The Blizzard rep if it was that sent that message proberbally is some junior who didn't know what the hell keyclone was and quickly looked it up and was like BOT BOT BOT ZOMG HAX WTF.

Thats me done [^_^]

[Ebola]

So don't run warden...

Thats easy enough, since Warden is part of the Launcher...

Wrong, you uninformed idiot, if you don't know what you are talking about then please STFU.

As for the automated login, regarding TOS, I can see how it could be interpreted as against the rules. I'd personally suggest removing this feature for now. Yeah it might mean that some of you have to spend an extra minute logging in, but hell, isn't it worth it to keep keyclone off the Blizzard ban-radar?

You know for the most part people are civil on these forums and I like it that way.... Its not nessisary to be rude and adversarial for no reason.

[zanthor]

I'd agree with Ebola as well, most people are civilized.

I've run process monitors and debug tools to watch what is scanned on my system when I run wow, if I run Launcher.exe, it scans my process list, if I run WoW.exe, nothing scans my process list...

Of course this WAS pre-2.0, however I'd say that blizzard's patcher seeking out my wow.exe shortcuts and changing their target to Launcher.exe probably backs that up a little...

If I'm wrong, correct me, no need to be an ass.

[jrox]

Warden is definitely a part of the wow client and there is no way to run wow without concurrently running warden.

[Wilbur]

Warden scans Inprocess, so anything modifying either WoW files or memory will be detected. As for "getting around warden" the idea is laughable. There are one, possibly two people who can circumvent Warden entirely, and this is not by "disabling" it, its by spoofing it with false information. Let me tell you, these people's help doesn't come cheap.

As for the flame, whilst you may pride this community on its civility, I pride it on its intelligence and technical ability. Thus someone posting a "lol just don't use the launcher to disable warden" post annoys me a fair bit, due to this person obviously not having done their research.

If you have an issue, feel free to PM me.

[Kro]

Then its not safe to use now Keyclone?

Thanks

[henrik.falk]

Warden scans Inprocess, so anything modifying either WoW files or memory will be detected. As for "getting around warden" the idea is laughable. There are one, possibly two people who can circumvent Warden entirely, and this is not by "disabling" it, its by spoofing it with false information. Let me tell you, these people's help doesn't come cheap.

As someone who actually knows how to program, that's just wrong.
On so many levels.

Anyho, trying to hide from Warden would pretty much seem like
we are admitting that we are doing something fishy.
Better just keep a dialogue open with Blizzard.

[keyclone]

i second ebola

[Otlecs]

There's lots and lots of information around on how Warden works, and you don't even have to dig very deep. It seems somehow petty to NOT post a link to a very good analysis of it when a quick Google will find it anyway, but I'll resist.

It's very sophisticated, hard to consistently get around and nobody - including the oh-so-glib coders of a well known 3rd party execution environment - has actually managed to consistently defeat it.

Simply put, Blizzard aren't stupid. Once an application is on the radar, it's bad news and I think our efforts should be focussed on making sure KC stays OFF that radar.

I sincerely hope that the original poster is either just here to stir it up (as I suspect) or is mis-informed.

I'd be all in favour of a "KeyClone Lite" edition to be honest. I liked it just as much before it entered the grey area of keymaps, round-robins, hosting the executables for maximiser, etc.....

Oh, and it's entirely possible to correct people without resorting to mindless flaming. It's a great shame to see that happen in this thread.

Peace.

Keep us informed, KC.