I didn't speak with a GM and...

[puppychow]

Lax is the author of Innerspace & ISXwarden (up until it got so many people banned that its been basically discontinued) so its very disingenious to claim that Innerspace is squeeky clean. ISXWow was done by another set of people. ISXWow provided a set of functions for botters to access WoW internals; ISXWarden hid ISXWow and Innerspace from Warden.

There was a banwave that caught just Innerspace users, it happened the same time when Blizzard banned users who were running WoW under Linux. They reversed most of these bans if the user emailed account-admin, but they never explicity came out and said Innerspace is ok.

Go ahead and post on the WoW customer support forums and ask if WinEQ2/Innerspace is ok, you will not get a positive answer. They have posted that Keyclone is currently ok, as long as its not used to automate WoW.

Innerspace is a very nice and powerful product, but it was marketed originally as a bot platform for Windows games. Lax lost most of his WoW customers over the last few months as all got banned by Blizzard, repeatedly. Now he is trying to repurpose Innerspace as a multibox platform (new web page I see came up today), but I'd personally be careful of using it given its past history.

FWIW I have used Innerspace in the past, have a Keyclone license, and currently use Octopus. All are nice and powerful products, but you are running huge risks with your account if you decide to use Innerspace.

[Wilbur]

To clear things up.

Innerspace by itself has never got anyone banned.

Extensions have.

I for one am very glad that people are starting to use Innerspace for Multiboxing, as I'm sure I said *last year* that it would be an excellent tool to have in our 'arsenals' ;-)

/me waves at Lax. Good to see you here :-D

[Wilbur]

Additionally, I would like to see Puppychow's evidence of vanilla Innerspace getting people banned as I believe this to be total bullshit that he 'heard' on the grapevine.

[puppychow]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...42898670&sid=1

want more?

[Lax]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...42898670&sid=1

want more?

The bans for WinEQ 2 were reversed, and World of Warcraft subscribers were reimbursed 2 days on their subscription for their troubles. There have been no such bans since 2006. Again, there is more to this story that I would tell you, but cannot yet be disclosed and you wouldn't believe it if I told you anyway.

WinEQ 2 is not Inner Space, and Inner Space was never marketed as a botting program, it has always been marketed as a neutral platform for third-party in-game development. Again, your perception does not make reality. Being told by some guy on the intarweb that Inner Space is a botting program does not equal "Inner Space is marketed as a botting program", and it does not make it the least bit true.

ISXWarden is not and has never been a part of Inner Space, and it has never been a product of the company that sells Inner Space, and it has never been available on the web site. There is no such link between Inner Space and ISXWarden, and ISXWarden is not required in order to use Inner Space with World of Warcraft. It is not disingenuous to say that Inner Space is squeaky clean, because it is. Using Inner Space vanilla is no more a violation of the Terms of Service than using Cedega, or WinEQ 2 for that matter. Unlike "that software which you shall not speak of" (which obviously violates the ToS), Blizzard could not possibly shut down Inner Space or the company that makes it. But yes, if they wanted to, they absolutely could ban for it, just like they could ban for KeyClone tomorrow if they wanted to.

If you ask on the World of Warcraft forums about ANY software the canned response is to never use ANY third-party software as it puts you at risk of getting banned. Ultimately is not up to you, nor the GMs you speak to in game, nor community MVPs or GMs on the forums, which software puts you at risk. Additionally, many of them know as little about the various available software as people on these forums, so they typically won't give you anything other than a canned response, because they generally have no idea how various software works and whether it violates the Terms of Service. It's not about the end, it's about the means to the end. The responses I'm reading from the GMs about "you need to be at the keys playing" apply just as equally to Inner Space as they do to KeyClone, Octopus, etc.

[Suribusi]

but you are running huge risks with your account if you decide to use Innerspace.

You see the video I linked? It was made of clips from me multiboxing using Innerspace PRIOR to burning crusade (I gave them my permission). I used it then and I still use it now. I run 0 risk running innerspace "vanilla".

-S

[thinus]

Inner Space contains no World of Warcraft-specific or Warden-specific functionality, beyond automatically loading ISXWarden if it is present. I realize and accept that you're not going to take my word or another random poster's word that using Inner Space without extensions used for cheating is safe, but any notion that Inner Space or any other product available from the company that makes it (note that I'm not advertising my company in my post) contains Warden-related functionality is patently false.

With that said, I hope you will find in the coming months that it will go without saying that Inner Space is safe to use with World of Warcraft as long as you are not using ISXWarden and/or ISXWoW or other cheats, and that the sort of misinformation that comes up here will simply cease.

Carry on.

Are you the "real" Lax? And with the real Lax I mean the one that writes Innerspace and also writes the warden detection bypassing mods?

Let me get this straight, a guy who has been writing botting tools for years come on these forums and try to convince us that Innerspace, his product, is squeeky clean and that it does not natively support botting, no, you need to use a script, but as fate would have it, you write and sell the scripts too. Pardon me for not trusting you behind me when I bend over to pick up the soap.

On your main page you mention "automating World of Warcraft" twice. This is on the Innerspace website, not a mod development site. Your comments about KeyClone is also way of base. KeyClone does not automate anything, nor does it allow you to automate via scripts, plugins, addons or any other protected memory modifications. Innerspace was clearly written with this specific purpose in mind.

Personally I don't think the real Lax would make such retarded patently false arguments. Unless for some reason you are trying to muscle in on KeyClone's key broadcasting market. Maybe the recent ruling against the "software of which we do not speak" has your customer base worried...? Sales down? Trying to clean up your act before you get sued? Cry me a river.

[preach]
I STRONGLY ADVISE AGAINST USING INNERSPACE EVER. DON'T EVEN DOWNLOAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. Don't take my word for it, Google it. Go read the website, look at Lax's history and how long he has been writing automation tools for games. Botting ruins games, take a stand against the cheaters, don't get in bed with the enemy.[/preach]

EDIT: I highly doubt this is the real Lax, probably just some forum troll looking for something to do while his Tauren is standing on a BG NPC or mailbox.

I'm sorry, but your perception does not make reality. And your perception is flawed. Reality Distortion Field anyone?

Inner Space is squeaky clean. There is no legal issues with Inner Space, and the act of using Inner Space alone does not violate the Terms of Service in World of Warcraft. I don't know where you got the idea that I "write and sell the scripts", but I don't, and never have. I also don't know where you are seeing "automating World of Warcraft" particularly twice -- it sure doesn't sound like my site. The web site recommends you do NOT automate World of Warcraft:
"While automation is often a fun and useful feature, many games (including World of Warcraft) prohibit automation. Be sure to familiarize yourself with the rules of the game in order to avoid getting banned from your favorite game."

Wow, website changes from one day to the next. Suddenly the entire thing looks different. You, sir, are a liar and a cheat.

Inner Space's original purpose was to replace WinEQ 2, not "to bot World of Warcraft". However, in doing so, a scripting engine was added. And then extensibility was added, and people started using it for "nefarious" purposes World of Warcraft and other games, but people have also been using Inner Space for entirely good purposes (e.g. in-game Ventrilo controls). Inner Space will allow you to do anything you want to do with it. Why would I want to "muscle in on" KeyClone's key broadcasting market? Those capabilities have been available and unchanged in Inner Space for several years, KeyClone is still trying to catch up with Inner Space. Oddly, I get people coming to my site for the "Lock Foreground" feature, directed from here, thinking that they need multiple programs to multi-box with EQ2 for example. They dont.

Funny that you wrote scripts that plug in to Innerspace to avoid Warden detection. Why would you do that?

I'm really confused as to why you guys are so adamant about arguing over the safety of using Inner Space. I already said, twice now, that I don't expect you to take my word for it. But I guess my mistake was in not expecting people to cry about me saying that. You go ahead and preach about what you believe about Inner Space, tell everyone not to use it because it is so evil and some people use it for botting, but don't ask me for any favors when your world is flipped upside down. I would love to explain what I know and can't disclose that you don't know and wouldn't believe even if you heard it, but as I have suggested in my previous posts, it will become apparent in the coming months. You can take my word on that, you don't need to keep responding and telling me that you perceive Inner Space as being horrible to use, I already know that, I'm not blind, I can see the hatred all over the place here.

The hatred is not so much for Innerspace as for you. I play games fairly, I don't cheat. People like you make me sick. I will never trust you and therefore never trust your software.

Here I am gently presenting reality and you all want to tell me these things you think I do or Inner Space does that simply aren't true? Like Glo saying that Inner Space has Warden functionality built in, or that I write and sell scripts for World of Warcraft? That's exactly the sort of misinformation that I am trying to correct. You can think it's evil if you want, but don't think it's evil for the wrong reasons. If you're going to argue with the author, at least come prepared... Expecting another reply saying that Inner Space is unsafe and should never be used blah blah blah, but that's entirely beside the point of my posts, and I will reiterate one last time that I don't expect you to take my word for it, and I fully expect you and everyone else here to have that in your head until a later date when it will go without saying that it's not what you're thinking.

Ok, here is a quote from one of the mod sites:

Glider loses its wings
lax [2006.11.15 10:52]

Glider has once again made the case for its customers to not believe in Merc (Merc, feel free to send me an email if you want to license a proven anti-Warden solution that won't require your customers have a Lavish subscription, or of course, feel free to use WardenLink which your customers can have the option of using and protecting your work as long as they have a Lavish subscription). Their forums are packed with posts about everyone being banned

An anti-Warden solution...why would you have that?

I'm not here to convince you it's safe. I'm here to correct some misinformation about Inner Space, which this thread is contributing to, and to be a part of a community that relies on technologies that I helped pioneer and have been innovating in for a long time. Who do you think people come to when they have a question related to developing these things (e.g. Octopus), and where do you think these other developers got ideas for features like Picture-in-Picture?

I, for one, would rather have the community get along without you.

[Lax]

1. The web site has not changed, certainly not in the last 24 hours other than the new post on the front page news. In fact if you looked at anything at all, the new version of the site has been up for over a month now. And even a month ago, I have no idea what page you were looking at. I don't know where you get off calling me a liar and a cheat. All I'm seeing from you is personal attacks (ad hominem fallacy, look it up. in fact, here's a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem ).

2. "Scripts" to plug into "Innerspace"? ISXWarden was written in early 2006 because my customers were using Inner Space with World of Warcraft, in conjunction with ISXWoW. And those people got banned. I wrote ISXWarden and distributed it for free, completely separate from my company, to help prevent my company's customers from getting banned from the biggest game anywhere.

3. You hate me? Hate me for what? Do you even know what you hate me for, or do you really think that I'm a "bot writer" as you claimed in one of your first posts on dual-boxing.com?
"I really don't see anyone up in arms except maybe the bot writer who wrote the original heavily biased article. Biased as the article was it still touched on very real privacy issues which I happen to partly agree with."
And the funny thing about the article on my blog about Warden, is that the most popular response was that I was complaining because I was going to lose money or something on it. That update to Warden wasn't even aimed at me or ISXWarden. I don't get the heavily biased part either, because it wasn't really an opinion article, it was describing technical details about a software change, and why the change is potentially dangerous. That's like going through http://www.securityfocus.com/vulnerabilities and finding Windows vulnerabilities and claiming that the reports are biased because the person reporting it prefers Linux. And the fact that I wrote ISXWarden isn't exactly a secret or hidden from On Warden readers.

Oh and "Not really, but it is the paranoid that ensures we enjoy the freedom that we do and I don't dismiss them out of hand."

Lastly, I really don't care if you would rather have the community get along without me. You obviously have no clue who I am or what I do, so your opinion on me shouldn't really matter to anyone else either. What have YOU done for the community? Besides spreading your own FUD and lashing out at people who actually do something to help, that is.

[Suribusi]

To clear things up.

Innerspace by itself has never got anyone banned.

Extensions have.

I for one am very glad that people are starting to use Innerspace for Multiboxing, as I'm sure I said *last year* that it would be an excellent tool to have in our 'arsenals' ;-)

/me waves at Lax. Good to see you here :-D

I agree. in my experience it is the advanced multiboxers greatest tool!

-S

[Ornate]

Wow, this is seriously Lax? The guy responsible for macroquest, the cheating program that ruined EverQuest?

Just on principle, I don't want to be involved in a community that takes even a neutral stance and gives him the chance to peddle his wares - even the "clean" ones.

And for the own safety of my accounts, I'd rather avoid the scrutiny of blizzard by posting on the same forums that he does. I know everything I'm doing is on the up and up, but I'd rather not have to talk my way out of an overzealous 72 hr ban.

No thanks, peace out.