I didn't speak with a GM and...

[Suribusi]

Let's not forget that innerspace and similar applications try to hide themselves from Warden.

I'm affraid that is not correct my friend. Innerspace does not hide itself from Warden at all as there is nothing to hide. And as I have stated I use Innerspace to play single and multiple characters with no issues.

The issue with innerspace is that it can be (and has been) used to automate actions, so blizzard doesn't allow it across the board.

I would be curious to where you get your information from, it would be something I would be interested in reading. Innerspace in fact "IS" allowed across the board, which I am clearly proof of. You must be getting confused with an extension(s) created for Innerspace that provide the capabilites you are speaking of. It is the extension in this case that would possibly get you in trouble. Similar to how you can write programs on Windows that when used get you in trouble with the police, but it would be false to say "Windows can be (and has been) used to automate actions, so the police doesn't allow it across the board".

I hope that helps clear things up for you :thumbsup:

-S

[ncliff]

Well so far I still havn't heard back from wow account administration. I was checking and i found that the program I'd used back in the honor grind days was actually "Auto Mouse Clicker" not AutoIT, but again I haven't used that in over a year easily and also, it was never used on my new accounts.

[glo]

Let's not forget that innerspace and similar applications try to hide themselves from Warden.

I'm affraid that is not correct my friend. Innerspace does not hide itself from Warden at all as there is nothing to hide. And as I have stated I use Innerspace to play single and multiple characters with no issues.

The issue with innerspace is that it can be (and has been) used to automate actions, so blizzard doesn't allow it across the board.

I would be curious to where you get your information from, it would be something I would be interested in reading. Innerspace in fact "IS" allowed across the board, which I am clearly proof of. You must be getting confused with an extension(s) created for Innerspace that provide the capabilites you are speaking of. It is the extension in this case that would possibly get you in trouble. Similar to how you can write programs on Windows that when used get you in trouble with the police, but it would be false to say "Windows can be (and has been) used to automate actions, so the police doesn't allow it across the board".

I hope that helps clear things up for you :thumbsup:

-S

Not too long ago there was a large ban wave that included Innerspace users. The fact you are using it and haven't been banned doesn't mean much, the last ban they collected data for several months before doing a huge ban wave. Innerspace DOES hide from warden and it DOES attempt to detect warden updates so it can unload itself in an attempt to keep the user from being banned. In the last ban wave blizzard tricked many people by not updating warden at all but instead built a secret detection and logging method into the core wow client itself.

I understand you thought you were being witty with your post and you are free to do as you wish but please don't speak as an authority when it comes to activities that could get others banned.

[Lax]

Let's not forget that innerspace and similar applications try to hide themselves from Warden.

I'm affraid that is not correct my friend. Innerspace does not hide itself from Warden at all as there is nothing to hide. And as I have stated I use Innerspace to play single and multiple characters with no issues.

The issue with innerspace is that it can be (and has been) used to automate actions, so blizzard doesn't allow it across the board.

I would be curious to where you get your information from, it would be something I would be interested in reading. Innerspace in fact "IS" allowed across the board, which I am clearly proof of. You must be getting confused with an extension(s) created for Innerspace that provide the capabilites you are speaking of. It is the extension in this case that would possibly get you in trouble. Similar to how you can write programs on Windows that when used get you in trouble with the police, but it would be false to say "Windows can be (and has been) used to automate actions, so the police doesn't allow it across the board".

I hope that helps clear things up for you :thumbsup:

-S

Not too long ago there was a large ban wave that included Innerspace users. The fact you are using it and haven't been banned doesn't mean much, the last ban they collected data for several months before doing a huge ban wave. Innerspace DOES hide from warden and it DOES attempt to detect warden updates so it can unload itself in an attempt to keep the user from being banned. In the last ban wave blizzard tricked many people by not updating warden at all but instead built a secret detection and logging method into the core wow client itself.

I understand you thought you were being witty with your post and you are free to do as you wish but please don't speak as an authority when it comes to activities that could get others banned.

Not to hijack the thread that was open for a completely different reason, but please don't speak with authority about software that you don't know much about.

Not too long ago there was a large ban wave that included ISXWoW users, and "months" is a bit of an exaggeration -- it was within weeks of detection being patched in. Inner Space "vanilla" (without ToS-violating extensions such as ISXWarden or ISXWoW) users were not, and are not currently, being banned to the best of my knowledge, from any game. ISXWarden is what Suribusi was talking about that would provide the ability to hide from Warden. ISXWarden is not, and has never been, a part of Inner Space, nor has it ever been promoted or displayed prominently on the web site that Inner Space is available at (though people have brought it up on the forums from time to time). ISXWoW additionally provides capabilities that people use for botting. The previous statement about ISXWarden not being part of Inner Space is also true for ISXWoW.

Inner Space contains no World of Warcraft-specific or Warden-specific functionality, beyond automatically loading ISXWarden if it is present. I realize and accept that you're not going to take my word or another random poster's word that using Inner Space without extensions used for cheating is safe, but any notion that Inner Space or any other product available from the company that makes it (note that I'm not advertising my company in my post) contains Warden-related functionality is patently false.

With that said, I hope you will find in the coming months that it will go without saying that Inner Space is safe to use with World of Warcraft as long as you are not using ISXWarden and/or ISXWoW or other cheats, and that the sort of misinformation that comes up here will simply cease.

Carry on.

[glo]

I won't speak with authority on your program. The fact is your program was caught up in a ban wave and it may happen again in the future. This is me not speaking with authority on your program, this is my citing historical fact.

I am not even trying to be rude. I realize you created a tool and cannot be held accountable for what others have done with it BUT coming here with the knowledge you have of a previous ban wave and reassuring the forum goers that your product is safe is irresponsible.

Use third party software at your own risk. Use third party software that can and has been used to violate the terms of service of games such as wow causing the user base to be banned as a whole at your own highly elevated risk.

[Basilikos]

Well so far I still havn't heard back from wow account administration. I was checking and i found that the program I'd used back in the honor grind days was actually "Auto Mouse Clicker" not AutoIT, but again I haven't used that in over a year easily and also, it was never used on my new accounts.

Okay, but is it still installed? That can be enough to trigger problems with Warden. Also, is it running? Not that it matters, since if Warden finds evil things on your computer (running or not), it can still get you banned.

Also note that it is really lame that this sort of thing gets posted. We don't need the multiboxing community associated with people that openly admit to having cheated (regardless of their current behavior). This sort of thing never ends well. Please, everyone, use better judgment in the future before posting threads like, "ZOMG! I got t3h b4nnh4mm3r f3r t3h K3yKl0nz!" when you used a cheat in the past.

Also, save yourself the humiliation of publicly identifying yourself as a cheater here (even if you've reformed yourself) since a lot of us take it seriously and will roast you for it.

[Lax]

I'm not sure you read what I had just explained, but your blame is misplaced and the bans you are referring to were not for Inner Space, but for ISXWoW and/or ISXWarden. You are insinuating that those third-party products are part of or enjoined to Inner Space, and they're not. I thought I had made that clear. If someone hacked KeyClone and added functionality to it that caused them to get banned, does that mean that KeyClone is unsafe and would be irresponsible for you or anyone else to suggest that it is safe? I assume your answer is no, so what makes it yes in the case of Inner Space, where someone adds functionality to it that causes them to get banned?

As I said, I do not expect you to take my word for it, but do not tell me that I'm irresponsible when you are coming at me with incorrect information. The ban wave you are referring to was not for Inner Space. There is more to the story that may come to light very soon, but cannot yet be disclosed, so I'm sorry you feel that I am being irresponsible for attempting to correct your misinformation, but as I said, in the coming months it will go without saying.

[glo]

I'm not sure you read what I had just explained, but your blame is misplaced and the bans you are referring to were not for Inner Space, but for ISXWoW and/or ISXWarden. You are insinuating that those third-party products are part of or enjoined to Inner Space, and they're not. I thought I had made that clear. If someone hacked KeyClone and added functionality to it that caused them to get banned, does that mean that KeyClone is unsafe and would be irresponsible for you or anyone else to suggest that it is safe? I assume your answer is no, so what makes it yes in the case of Inner Space, where someone adds functionality to it that causes them to get banned?

As I said, I do not expect you to take my word for it, but do not tell me that I'm irresponsible when you are coming at me with incorrect information. The ban wave you are referring to was not for Inner Space. There is more to the story that may come to light very soon, but cannot yet be disclosed, so I'm sorry you feel that I am being irresponsible for attempting to correct your misinformation, but as I said, in the coming months it will go without saying.

I'm fairly certain that Rob would at least attempt to block said hack that allowed his program to be used to violate the TOS, have you attempted this with your utility?

[thinus]

Inner Space contains no World of Warcraft-specific or Warden-specific functionality, beyond automatically loading ISXWarden if it is present. I realize and accept that you're not going to take my word or another random poster's word that using Inner Space without extensions used for cheating is safe, but any notion that Inner Space or any other product available from the company that makes it (note that I'm not advertising my company in my post) contains Warden-related functionality is patently false.

With that said, I hope you will find in the coming months that it will go without saying that Inner Space is safe to use with World of Warcraft as long as you are not using ISXWarden and/or ISXWoW or other cheats, and that the sort of misinformation that comes up here will simply cease.

Carry on.

Are you the "real" Lax? And with the real Lax I mean the one that writes Innerspace and also writes the warden detection bypassing mods?

Let me get this straight, a guy who has been writing botting tools for years come on these forums and try to convince us that Innerspace, his product, is squeeky clean and that it does not natively support botting, no, you need to use a script, but as fate would have it, you write and sell the scripts too. Pardon me for not trusting you behind me when I bend over to pick up the soap.

On your main page you mention "automating World of Warcraft" twice. This is on the Innerspace website, not a mod development site. Your comments about KeyClone is also way of base. KeyClone does not automate anything, nor does it allow you to automate via scripts, plugins, addons or any other protected memory modifications. Innerspace was clearly written with this specific purpose in mind.

Personally I don't think the real Lax would make such retarded patently false arguments. Unless for some reason you are trying to muscle in on KeyClone's key broadcasting market. Maybe the recent ruling against the "software of which we do not speak" has your customer base worried...? Sales down? Trying to clean up your act before you get sued? Cry me a river.

[preach]
I STRONGLY ADVISE AGAINST USING INNERSPACE EVER. DON'T EVEN DOWNLOAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. Don't take my word for it, Google it. Go read the website, look at Lax's history and how long he has been writing automation tools for games. Botting ruins games, take a stand against the cheaters, don't get in bed with the enemy.[/preach]

EDIT: I highly doubt this is the real Lax, probably just some forum troll looking for something to do while his Tauren is standing on a BG NPC or mailbox.

[Lax]

Inner Space contains no World of Warcraft-specific or Warden-specific functionality, beyond automatically loading ISXWarden if it is present. I realize and accept that you're not going to take my word or another random poster's word that using Inner Space without extensions used for cheating is safe, but any notion that Inner Space or any other product available from the company that makes it (note that I'm not advertising my company in my post) contains Warden-related functionality is patently false.

With that said, I hope you will find in the coming months that it will go without saying that Inner Space is safe to use with World of Warcraft as long as you are not using ISXWarden and/or ISXWoW or other cheats, and that the sort of misinformation that comes up here will simply cease.

Carry on.

Are you the "real" Lax? And with the real Lax I mean the one that writes Innerspace and also writes the warden detection bypassing mods?

Let me get this straight, a guy who has been writing botting tools for years come on these forums and try to convince us that Innerspace, his product, is squeeky clean and that it does not natively support botting, no, you need to use a script, but as fate would have it, you write and sell the scripts too. Pardon me for not trusting you behind me when I bend over to pick up the soap.

On your main page you mention "automating World of Warcraft" twice. This is on the Innerspace website, not a mod development site. Your comments about KeyClone is also way of base. KeyClone does not automate anything, nor does it allow you to automate via scripts, plugins, addons or any other protected memory modifications. Innerspace was clearly written with this specific purpose in mind.

Personally I don't think the real Lax would make such retarded patently false arguments. Unless for some reason you are trying to muscle in on KeyClone's key broadcasting market. Maybe the recent ruling against the "software of which we do not speak" has your customer base worried...? Sales down? Trying to clean up your act before you get sued? Cry me a river.

[preach]
I STRONGLY ADVISE AGAINST USING INNERSPACE EVER. DON'T EVEN DOWNLOAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. Don't take my word for it, Google it. Go read the website, look at Lax's history and how long he has been writing automation tools for games. Botting ruins games, take a stand against the cheaters, don't get in bed with the enemy.[/preach]

EDIT: I highly doubt this is the real Lax, probably just some forum troll looking for something to do while his Tauren is standing on a BG NPC or mailbox.

I'm sorry, but your perception does not make reality. And your perception is flawed. Reality Distortion Field anyone?

Inner Space is squeaky clean. There is no legal issues with Inner Space, and the act of using Inner Space alone does not violate the Terms of Service in World of Warcraft. I don't know where you got the idea that I "write and sell the scripts", but I don't, and never have. I also don't know where you are seeing "automating World of Warcraft" particularly twice -- it sure doesn't sound like my site. The web site recommends you do NOT automate World of Warcraft:
"While automation is often a fun and useful feature, many games (including World of Warcraft) prohibit automation. Be sure to familiarize yourself with the rules of the game in order to avoid getting banned from your favorite game."

Inner Space's original purpose was to replace WinEQ 2, not "to bot World of Warcraft". However, in doing so, a scripting engine was added. And then extensibility was added, and people started using it for "nefarious" purposes World of Warcraft and other games, but people have also been using Inner Space for entirely good purposes (e.g. in-game Ventrilo controls). Inner Space will allow you to do anything you want to do with it. Why would I want to "muscle in on" KeyClone's key broadcasting market? Those capabilities have been available and unchanged in Inner Space for several years, KeyClone is still trying to catch up with Inner Space. Oddly, I get people coming to my site for the "Lock Foreground" feature, directed from here, thinking that they need multiple programs to multi-box with EQ2 for example. They dont.

I'm really confused as to why you guys are so adamant about arguing over the safety of using Inner Space. I already said, twice now, that I don't expect you to take my word for it. But I guess my mistake was in not expecting people to cry about me saying that. You go ahead and preach about what you believe about Inner Space, tell everyone not to use it because it is so evil and some people use it for botting, but don't ask me for any favors when your world is flipped upside down. I would love to explain what I know and can't disclose that you don't know and wouldn't believe even if you heard it, but as I have suggested in my previous posts, it will become apparent in the coming months. You can take my word on that, you don't need to keep responding and telling me that you perceive Inner Space as being horrible to use, I already know that, I'm not blind, I can see the hatred all over the place here.

Here I am gently presenting reality and you all want to tell me these things you think I do or Inner Space does that simply aren't true? Like Glo saying that Inner Space has Warden functionality built in, or that I write and sell scripts for World of Warcraft? That's exactly the sort of misinformation that I am trying to correct. You can think it's evil if you want, but don't think it's evil for the wrong reasons. If you're going to argue with the author, at least come prepared... Expecting another reply saying that Inner Space is unsafe and should never be used blah blah blah, but that's entirely beside the point of my posts, and I will reiterate one last time that I don't expect you to take my word for it, and I fully expect you and everyone else here to have that in your head until a later date when it will go without saying that it's not what you're thinking.

I'm not here to convince you it's safe. I'm here to correct some misinformation about Inner Space, which this thread is contributing to, and to be a part of a community that relies on technologies that I helped pioneer and have been innovating in for a long time. Who do you think people come to when they have a question related to developing these things (e.g. Octopus), and where do you think these other developers got ideas for features like Picture-in-Picture?