keyclone maximizer PIP ?

[danimaru]

i cant find this info despite hours of searching and tinkering:

firstly, im dual boxing 2 accounts on 1pc and 1display.

is it possible to hotkey hiding of the picture-in-picture in keyclone maximizer?

basically, i dont want to sacrifice my full screen resolution for the main account, so id like to use the PIP functionality of the maximizer. however, im finding that no matter where i put the PIP, sooner or later it interferes with SOMETHING. on the left, theres quest, trade, character, guild panes. on the right theres my bags, which i need open regularily.

theres certainly ways around these problems, (opening 1 bag at a time, or segregating my display field into completely seperate regions) but the most elegant of them would be if there was simply a hotkey to force the main display to the top for a second so i could interact with vendors or whatever, and then a second hotkey (or smae hotkey pushed a second time) to force the PIP window back to the top where its visible for combat.

so, is this possible? am i missing something easy and trivial, or has this functionality not been included? thanks for your help!

-dan

[danimaru]

well, ive been tinkering and scouring the web all day since posting this, and ive come to the conclusion that the simplest way may be to simply use the old fashioned alt+tab method of switching btwn active wow windows as im only using two.

i really liked the idea of picture-in-picture as a means to keep real-time tabs on my second toon, but im not convinced it's worth the precious screen real estate.

still very open to suggestion if some1 does know a way of hiding the PiP.

[Apophysis]

Don't take this as gospel - I'm at work and cannot verify right now - but can't you set up Keyclone's Maximizer with PiP and just not set the "always on top" option? That should allow the second WoW region to fall to the background when you have focus on the first WoW region (or vice versa when you switch PiP).

Alternatively, you can explore other layouts whereby both WoW regions are visible and still use PiP to switch to the bigger, main region.

[elsegundo]

well, ive been tinkering and scouring the web all day since posting this, and ive come to the conclusion that the simplest way may be to simply use the old fashioned alt+tab method of switching btwn active wow windows as im only using two.

i really liked the idea of picture-in-picture as a means to keep real-time tabs on my second toon, but im not convinced it's worth the precious screen real estate.

still very open to suggestion if some1 does know a way of hiding the PiP.

i dont think there's a feature that will turn off PiP and turn it on again. you'll have to manually minimize it in order to see the entire main window.

what you can do is just download an actionbar addon and a tooltip addon to move tihngs around, if you put your PiP window on the bottom or right, or bottom right of the screen. if you put your PiP window on the top left of your screen, get a unit frames addon that will move your unit frames around. for actionbars the most popular ones are bongos, bartender, and trinity. you can use cowtip as a tooltip mover. it has other features too. for unit frames, off the top of my head there's pitbull and xperl. try using those to move your buttons and things around. good luck.

[danimaru]

...can't you set up Keyclone's Maximizer with PiP and just not set the "always on top" option? That should allow the second WoW region to fall to the background when you have focus on the first WoW region (or vice versa when you switch PiP).

sadly i feel as if ive tried every possible combination of this functionality, and the results are not exactly waht i want. if you set the larger, background region to "always on top" then the smaller PiP region is NEVER visible, so all youre really gaining over just having 2 windows open and alt+tabing is the addition of a single short cut button to switch btwn your two regions of focus, and doesnt really solve the issue of real-time-monitoring of the second account.

Alternatively, you can explore other layouts whereby both WoW regions are visible and still use PiP to switch to the bigger, main region.

this is definetely an option, and would appear the main functionality to the PiP mechanism. truth is that the integrated PiP is not mainly a picture-in-picture mechanic, but mainly a display segragating mechanic with a PiP funtion integrated. so yes, this will work, but idealy i wanted to retain my full display area for the main account. the downside to doing this is that having only 2 regions to display, i either have to use brutally stretched resolutions, or surrender a good 20% of my screen to unused black space.

i dont think there's a feature that will turn off PiP and turn it on again. you'll have to manually minimize it in order to see the entire main window.

i think this is quite correct. however how does one manually minimize it? when i mouse over the PiP window, the windows hotbar becomes visible, but the PiP seems to force itself active and wont let me minimize it. if i could simply click the hotbar and minimize, and then maxamize when i wanted it back thatd solve all my problems. im going to explore this further. however, i think its the maxamize function of wow itself when running in windowed mode that restricts this functionality. not sure how to get around that. ill try disabling it but im pretty sure that maximizer (keyclone) will re-enable it as thats kinda the point.

what you can do is just download an actionbar addon and a tooltip addon to move tihngs around, if you put your PiP window on the bottom or right, or bottom right of the screen. if you put your PiP window on the top left of your screen, get a unit frames addon that will move your unit frames around. for actionbars the most popular ones are bongos, bartender, and trinity. you can use cowtip as a tooltip mover. it has other features too. for unit frames, off the top of my head there's pitbull and xperl. try using those to move your buttons and things around. good luck.

this is certainly the easiest solution, but also the one id like to avoid the most. ive played wow seriously since closed-beta, and to say the least, my ui is.... refined. im a little obsessive about its minimalism and symetry and general look of cleanliness... so having to screw with everything to accomodate some stupid PiP window is a deal breaker.


thanks for the help guys. much appreciated.

if theres no other answer, i implore the coder of keyclone to think about including a hotkey to force the PiP window to the bottom/top in future builds. i believe it would really expand the functionality of the PiP feature.

-dan

[danimaru]

SUCCESS!!

so, by disabling the maximize feature of windowed mode IN GAME, and forcing the smaller PiP region "on top" via keyclone, i can now minimize/restore the PiP via the taskbar, or alt+tab. so, it appears i get to have my cake and eat it too after all! :thumbsup:

it should be noted that i get some pretty serious video errors if im not careful:
-if i use the "switch region" hotkeys while 1 of the regions is minimized, wow starts getting bad video errors, eventually crashes and freezes my comp.
-if i restore a window via the taskbar, and not alt+tab, most of the time, i get full screen video errors from the top coordinates of the restored PiP window down. alt+tab window selection seems to negate this problem. and minimizing via taskbar seems to have no affect.
-and, ive had a few unexplained video errors while dealing with PiP in general. ive read elsewhere that this feature has been finicky for others, so im going to assume its just not 100% rock-solid, and should just be grateful it exists at all.
-it doesnt seem to load the way ive defined 100% of the time. sometimes upon loading the PiP window will get stuck in the background, or the switch region hotkeys dont work. it does seem to load the way i want 100% of the time upon reload tho. so, thats a problem ill live with.

again, thanks for your help guys.

[elsegundo]

when maximized, i leave a few pixels at the bottom just to activate the taskbar when i need to. from there, i can click twice on the slave window and its minimized.
hope that answers your question previously. i see you've done the same thing in windowed mode. haha. well enjoy.