Blue post on lava burst and lightning damage

[Fuzzyboy]

"(Remember they benefit from Curse of the Elements and similar spells now.)"

So, our damage is being limited based on having a warlock in the party? I'm confused. I thought that the point of a lot of these cross buff stacking nerfs was to encourage people to not HAVE to have a particular class in group/raid to be effective. This seems somewhat counterintuitive to me.

Yes, a warlock, a druid or a DK (Ebon Plaguebringer, Earth and Moon, Curse of the Elements). And you're right, it does seem counterintuitive requiring either a warlock, a balance druid or an unholy knight to do full damage, but I guess the same is true for other spell dps classes.

[Fuzzyboy]

this is the best i could do, my gear isnt as good as live, and this was with 50/13/0 spec.
http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2400pp9.jpg
oh and this was with heroism...
This is my wws from last brutallus for compario:
http://wowwebstats.com/31oxqvdbf5gnq?s=162035-188422

Are you level 70 in those tests? So without lava burst?

[Niley]

its much weaker then on live, basically i can crit unbuffed for around 4500ish on live, yet on beta my best try, with all totems down, was just under 4k.
DPS is also weak, on live i do 2300 dps on average, on a fight like brutallus, on beta with flask/food etc etc and a moonkin/warlock in my group i barely broke 2200. Now that does sound like its almost the same...but then compare it to that offspec boomkin doing almost 3k, and a mage doing almost the same, and it seems weak.

How does this work? I figure when 3.0 goes live I will gain ~500 spell damage (280ish from totem of wrath and 200ish from flame tonugue wep). I don't understand why the damage would be going down and not up.

What is your +spell damage on live vs ptr?

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its not 280, but 140 at 70.
and here You go:
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?im...8103518jn0.jpg

I have about 120ish less on live with totems down, i also have 140 more haste on live.


change comes from much lower co efficient of lb.

[Fuzzyboy]

its much weaker then on live, basically i can crit unbuffed for around 4500ish on live, yet on beta my best try, with all totems down, was just under 4k.
DPS is also weak, on live i do 2300 dps on average, on a fight like brutallus, on beta with flask/food etc etc and a moonkin/warlock in my group i barely broke 2200. Now that does sound like its almost the same...but then compare it to that offspec boomkin doing almost 3k, and a mage doing almost the same, and it seems weak.

How does this work? I figure when 3.0 goes live I will gain ~500 spell damage (280ish from totem of wrath and 200ish from flame tonugue wep). I don't understand why the damage would be going down and not up. I would think moving from +1100 spell damage to +1600 spell damage would be a nice increas in dps. Apparently not huh.

What is your +spell damage on live vs ptr?

This is probably due to the change to the spelldamage coefficient. As I understand it, they lowered how much out lightning spells gain from our spell damage.

[Niley]

this is the best i could do, my gear isnt as good as live, and this was with 50/13/0 spec.
http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2400pp9.jpg
oh and this was with heroism...
This is my wws from last brutallus for compario:
http://wowwebstats.com/31oxqvdbf5gnq?s=162035-188422

Are you level 70 in those tests? So without lava burst?

72 as seen in the screenshot, so no lvb

and just as a fun fact, when beta went live first, this is the bolts that i was getting self buffed:
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?i...8183318lc1.jpg

QQ? =(

[Fuzzyboy]

I guess we'll just have to accept that from 3.0 we're broken until lvl 75 :-(

[Niley]

I guess we'll just have to accept that from 3.0 we're broken until lvl 75 :-(

I think we're broken way beyond that, we don't scale.

[Schwarz]

Sounds like an apples to oranges comparision. I understand that the coeffiecient on LB has been lowered. But you are trying to compare a

level 70 shaman with ~1400 +spell damage and ~500 haste

to a

level 72 shaman with ~1520 +spell damage and ~360 haste

There once was a czar that was told the providence that was most effected by the plauge also had the most doctors. So he had all the doctor's killed.

[Niley]

Sounds like an apples to oranges comparision. I understand that the coeffiecient on LB has been lowered. But you are trying to compare a

level 70 shaman with ~1400 +spell damage and ~500 haste

to a

level 72 shaman with ~1520 +spell damage and ~360 haste

There once was a czar that was told the providence that was most effected by the plauge also had the most doctors. So he had all the doctor's killed.

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with the gear i had on beta i was doing 2160 dps on live. Its a very well known fact that LB hits much lower, even if You gain 300 spell damage from new talents and such.
Infact my dps would be even lower as ill have to gem for spell hit.

[Fuzzyboy]

I guess we'll just have to accept that from 3.0 we're broken until lvl 75 :-(

I think we're broken way beyond that, we don't scale.

I think it's too soon to tell, but if that's the case I'm sure it'll be fixed. If endgame encounters show a significant dps difference, I'm sure it'll be handled.