MMO Champion (and I am sure other places) has the level 80 PvP gear and costs up.

Basically there is Blue Gear with no rating costs then 2 levels of Epic gear with 2 levels of rating requirements. ALL gear requires both arena and honor points. You do get arena points from Wintergrasp, at a pretty good rate. At least I did when I could actually play it.

Also announced is that they are wiping honor as well as arena but there will be "special" items available for honor before WotLK ships. I can't find any firm data on what those will be, can anyone else?


From MMO Champion level 80 PvP stuffs.
HP = Honor Point
AP = Arena Point
AR = Arena Rating

Savage Gladiator
Chest - 0 AR - 6000 HP and 350 AP
Hands - 0 AR - 3600 HP and 200 AP
Head - 0 AR - 6000 HP and 350 AP
Legs - 0 AR - 6000 HP and 350 AP
Shoulder - 0 AR - 4800 and 275 AP
MH Weapons - 0 AR - 8400 HP and 475 AP
OH Weapons & Items - 0 AR - 3600 HP and 200 AP
Shields - 0 AR - 6000 HP and 350 AP
2H Weapons - 0 AR - 12000 HP and 700 AP
Caster 1H Weapons - 0 AR - 10000 HP and 575 AP
Ranged Weapon - 0 AR - 12000 HP and 700 AP
Throwing Weapon - 0 AR - 3200 HP and 175 AP
Wands & Relics - - 0 AR - 3200 HP and 175 AP

Hateful Gladiator
Chest - 1725 AR - 6000 HP and 700 AP
Hands - 1665 AR - 3600 HP and 400 AP
Head - 1785 AR - 6000 HP and 700 AP
Legs - 1695 AR - 6000 HP and 700 AP
Shoulder - 1825 AR - 4800 and 550 AP
MH Weapons - 1755 AR - 8400 HP and 950 AP
OH Weapons & Items - 1755 AR - 3600 HP and 400 AP
Shields - 1755 AR - 6000 HP and 700 AP
2H Weapons - 1755 AR - 12000 HP and 1400 AP
Caster 1H Weapons - 1755 AR - 10000 HP and 1150 AP
Ranged Weapon - 1755 AR - 1200 HP and 1400 AP
Throwing Weapon - 1755 AR - 3200 HP and 350 AP
Wands - 1755 AR - 3200 HP and 350 AP

Deadly Gladiator:
Chest - 2020 AR - 2250 AP
Hands - 1900 AR - 1350 AP
Head - no AR - 6000 HP and 350 AP ( Most likely bugged )
Legs - 1960 AR - 2250 AP
Shoulder - 2200 AR - 1800 AP
MH Weapons - 2080 AR - 3150 AP
OH Weapons & Items - 2080 AR - 1350 AP
Shields - 2080 AR - 2250 AP
2H Weapons - 2080 AR - 4500 AP
Caster 1H Weapons - 2080 AR - 3150 AP
Ranged Weapon - 2080 AR - 4500 AP
Throwing Weapon - 2080 AR - 1200 AP
Wands - 2080 AR - 1200 AP
My personal take is that unless you are VERY VERY good you will be a second class gear citizen and not be able to break across the gear barriers. Unless you are one of the first to get started and rated. Going from blue to the first set of epics there was a 30+ stamina difference on just one piece.

I have talked about this argument before, playing 10 games a week you get a piece every 4 weeks or so in 2v2 maybe 3 weeks in 5v5 if you stay between 1400-1500. With ratings requirements so high on all epic gear, less people will play if there is no reason to. Then the remaining players have a smaller pool of opponents to play against and ratings drop. Teams that would have been 2000 pt teams with full participation drop to 1800 or 1900, teams naturally at 1900 drop to 1700 or 1800 and so on. Pretty soon only the very best teams will remain and nobody will be able to get the highest levels of gear because the points are just not there to get high enough.

To people that worry that "other people are getting too good of gear just playing 10 games a week" I will tell you the same thing I tell my kids, Stop worrying about your sister ( i.e. everyone else) and worry about you. It is in everyone's - Blizzard's, Elite PvPers to ultra casuals, that gear in this type of ladder system, is obtainable by everyone. Some should get it faster, some should take longer but everyone should have a chance to get it. These type of limitations hurt everyone in the long run.