No more gear from BGS :(

[asonimie]

Most of the time, I can't be bothered to reply when people over and over whine about being oblitterated by "S3/S4" rerollers...

GET OVER YOURSELVES! S3/S4 is NOTHING SPECIAL! in S3, only the shoulders have a rating requirement, and thus to be 4/5 S3 + ALL the S3 offhand items means one of 2 things: you either afk'ed or participated in a months worth of battlegrounds, and 3-4 months of arena, 10 games pr day. Here is a newsflash for you: S3 shoulders DOESNT MAKE OR BREAK A TEAM!!!!! 150 hitpoints, on a 13k hp warrior, is NOT what makes you loose. There are teams, who does excellent things in S1/S2 + blue gear, against far better geared teams, and there are teams in the same equipment who recreate their team every other week to get out of 1200 rating bracket...

Simply put, why on earth do you feel that you "have a right" to break even 1600 rating ? You don't, you're in the same boat as everyone else. People playing at 2200 rating, are not superhumans, they have just practiced and played and gathered gear for the past year. And you are partly right, you should not be able to ding 70, grind reputation for 1 week, honor for 1 week and then expect to be part of a race that has been running for a year.... 2 weeks of preparation != 1 year!

1500 rating IS NOT THE MIDDLE NUMBER! It's not a rating that you nescessarily should never drop below. Everyone keeps calling them welfare epics and complain that everyone can get them, and when they now require a rating and are thus no longer available to everyone, everyone complains that they are too hard to obtain - go figure.

Feel free to disregard this as a flame, because that is essentially what it is. I'm just sick of listening to "glass-half-empty" people. We're all the same people, playing this game.

What gives people an edge ?

Class balance ? Yes, indeed - rock paper scissors, there are setups which are harder to beat, compared to your own setup.

Time invested ? Yes, indeed - a year of "work" pays off more than 2 weeks of work ... mostly.

In fact, see it from a Full S4, 2500 rated characters perspective... it would kindda defeat his purpose to exist, if a blue reputation geared scrub, could suddenly beat him/her... or would it not ?



It's sort of like PvE - a bear run in ZA is pisseasy. It only requires a decent gearlevel, and full focus for 40ish minutes. IF the bear was then farmed 4 months later, by fresh lvl 70'ies in blues and 1-2 epics ... How would you feel, after you've raidet Karazhan, TK, The Eye for months on end, and started on Black Temple even... effort should be rewarded. The "gap" will always be there, if it wasn't, what would be the point ?

Essentially, people complain about the possibility to progress your character... which is sorta the entire point of the game. Is it not ?



/Mwu - with inflammable wellfare asbestos-robes, lined with prime PvE gear...

Nice waste of 10 minutes. I was not talking about speed of gear upgrades and omggimmeepix. I'm talking about the arena game matching system being based on gear and not rating. Being matched against people in very similar gear and duking it out is the ultimate way to determine a teams skill.

/hands out magic brownies.

[FtGeno]

Eliminating honor gear entirely and tying everything into arenas is about the stupidest thing they could do before making a serious effort to balance all classes for pvp. There are too many 1 vs 1 class balance issues (think mage - warlock for one example) to make arena equally viable to everyone. Ideally you'd want equal class representation across the board instead of making it mandatory to have a druid or rogue in order to be successful. They're dumping on a lot of other paying customers by doing this and there's a shitestorm brewing here. This is just dumb.

[FtGeno]

Ok perhaps it was a bad choice of words on my part though my point remains. WoW is not adequately balanced for small scale pvp wherin certain class combinations are viewed as superior to others. Paper rock scissors loses its meaning when certain classes are deemed necessary to win or be competitive at higher levels (glares accusingly at druids). The fact is we are playing a pvp game that is balanced for pve.

[HPB]

The fact is we are playing a pvp game that is balanced for pve.

Nope. We are playing a PVE game that gets nerfed to hell and back for PVP balancing. Why else nerf abilities that are fine for farming/instances but get whined about by people who can't win at arenas and bgs. They really need to stop balancing the whole game around pvp.

[devilsome]

Eliminating honor gear entirely and tying everything into arenas is about the stupidest thing they could do before making a serious effort to balance all classes for pvp. There are too many 1 vs 1 class balance issues (think mage - warlock for one example) to make arena equally viable to everyone. Ideally you'd want equal class representation across the board instead of making it mandatory to have a druid or rogue in order to be successful. They're dumping on a lot of other paying customers by doing this and there's a shitestorm brewing here. This is just dumb.

in what way does gear adress class balance ? stuid conclusion and has nothing to do with arena nor bg

[Dominian]

I still dont understand WHY 2vs2 is still around as it only leads to whine and 2vs2 is all about setup.

Change 2vs2 to 4vs4.

[Jayded1]

This just plain won't happen.

[Bigfish]

Well, they can't simply eliminate rewards from BGs or no one will run them, which would be a big shot in the foot considering how many people enjoy PvP. Of course, the BG focus may simply be switched to Lake Wintergrasp, of which I'm not sure what the rewards are.

I suppose what it eventually boils down to is where we draw the line on what people deserve as a reward.

[FtGeno]

I am simply saying that each class should have the same chance as another to win at arenas. Hunters are a prime example. Go and look up the number of Hunters rated high enough to have earned the S4 shoulders. I assure you, it's considerably lower than the rest. This is because Hunters, by nature of their class design are less effective in arenas unless pigeonholed into specific comps (drain teams for example). The numbers don't lie, go look up the numbers of high rated hunter teams vs say, druids.

[TheHamburglar]

Another thought too -

Did anyone mention if Blizz was going to remove the rating required on the items? IMHO, it seems like they would have to do something if they removed epics from BG's, especially if you need an 1700+ rating to get something nice. Yet, if they indeed remove the rating required on the items, you're going to get people who go into the arena just to lose. Even with a 1100 (lol; don't even think this is possible) rating in 5v5, it would only take you half a year to get full epic armor - losing each battle.

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Stormscale&ts=2&t=NIGNOGGENFOGGER&selec t=NIGNOGGENFOGGER