No more gear from BGS :(

[Caspian]

Tigole posted that the Arena points being awarded for Lake Wintergrasp are a Beta only thing. It won't go live like that unless they change their mind (which of course could happen).

So you have to arena to get any gear at all and achieve higher ratings to get any epics. Well I guess you will still have everyone in there to beat on.

[Dominian]

Calm down guys have everyone forgot the start of TBC?

S1 could only be gained trought arena while you could get blue gear from pvp (sadly it sucked so bad it was useless)

You get gear with resillience on from pve awards have been said (dont remember were thought)

When they launch a new seson the first epic set lose its rating requirment would be my bet. Blizzard wont let people fall behinde without the chance to recover..

[defactoman]

There will also be craftable resilence gear.

Example:
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=43262

I would imagine by the time its released a full set will be available for all classes/types.

[Caspian]

Calm down guys have everyone forgot the start of TBC?

S1 could only be gained trought arena while you could get blue gear from pvp (sadly it sucked so bad it was useless)

You get gear with resillience on from pve awards have been said (dont remember were thought)

When they launch a new seson the first epic set lose its rating requirment would be my bet. Blizzard wont let people fall behinde without the chance to recover..

S1 stuff had no rating requirement, all "arena" gear does at this point.

There is badge gear with resil I believe

It has not been the trend to completely remove ratings requirements, it could happen though. The rating requirements will probably be reduced with the release of future seasons. You are correct that is still a wait and see situation.

[Stabface]

Guys, it's going to work rather like when TBC came out. Except there's a new tier of gear now. Or maybe you forgot how PVP gear was when TBC first released?
When TBC released we had L70 blue sets and weapons 'Grand Marshal's / High Warlord's' gear... 1 month later Season 1 started... which gave the same item slots, just in epic versions -- for arena points.

Now at WotLK release we have:

Savage set - blue quality ilvl 200, does not require any arena rating, purchased using mostly honor but some small amount of arena points. These fill the same slots as the old GM/HWL or S1 gear - 5 piece armor, main & offhand items.

Hateful set - epic quality ilvl 200, 2 things here. First, epic upgrades for the same item slots as the 'Savage' set, which are purchased for the same honor cost as Savage but 2x arena points and require some 1700-1800 arena rating. Second, this also has your ring/neck/cloak/bracer/boots/belt/trinket as well which cost *honor only* and do not require any arena points or ranking. Just like the current BG items.

Deadly set - rare quality ilvl 213, the epic upgrades to 'Savage' slots the requires high arena rating (2K+) and costs a lot of arena points (4x as much as Hateful) but no honor points. It's unclear what the ring/neck/cloak/bracer/boots/belt slots will cost yet as I don't know if they are set in game or not. There's apparently no upgraded PvP trinket either.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

To give some of you an idea why there's a ruckus about ALL of the PVP gear requiring at least arena points and most of them fairly steep arena ratings compared to S1-S3 gear, check out the stamina differences from my other thread:

+447STA/+222RES for the blue 1st-tier (Savage Gladiator's) 5-pc + dw weapons on a hunter. <--- same gear the guy with 22k HP posted above.
+643 stamina for the purple 3rd-tier (Deadly Gladiator's) 5-pc + dw hunter weapons.
versus today's:
+378 stamina for S4 hunter 5-pc + dw weapons
+317 stamina for S2 hunter 5-pc + dw weapons
And for a frame of reference, the Arena 6 beta gear for locks has:
+644 stamina _just_ for the 5-pc set.

I'll see if I can do some math on this in the beta tonight with my premade.

To give you a frame of reference for today's stamina on S1-S4 gear 5-pc plus dw weapons:

S1 = 275
S2 = 317
S3 = 349
S4 = 378

Stamina difference between lowest-tier arena gear and highest LIVE = 37%
Stamina difference between lowest-tier arena gear and highest BETA = 73%

If they go live as is, the disparity between top-ranked teams and noobs will be more than double what it is now. Deadly gladiators will just about be able to 2-man 5v5 teams in greens/blues/PVE gear.

[Bradster]

Hateful set - epic quality ilvl 200, 2 things here. First, epic upgrades for the same item slots as the 'Savage' set, which are purchased for the same honor cost as Savage but 2x arena points and require some 1700-1800 arena rating. Second, this also has your ring/neck/cloak/bracer/boots/belt/trinket as well which cost *honor only* and do not require any arena points or ranking. Just like the current BG items.

8| Ouch, when does War come out?

[Stabface]

First off, NOT ALL OF THE GEAR REQUIRES ARENA POINTS OR ARENA RANKING. Right now the 7 piece epic "Hateful Gladiator" accessories -- boot, belt, bracer, ring, amulet, cloak, trinket -- do NOT require any arena ranking OR arena points. They only require honor.

Second there's a whole load of crafted PvP gear. As a matter of fact, there appears to be a full 8 piece crafted PvP armor for pretty much everyone. It also looks to be CHEAP to craft - the Paladin spell damage plate takes ~15 saronite bars and 1 eternal per piece... which is the equivalent of adamantite bars and primals. So imagine you can get a full 8 pieces of BoE blue L68 PvP gear for ~100 adamantite and 8 primals... sounds pretty good to me?? There is also PvP BoE rings created by JC.


Lastly, the differences are not that big between tiers. I did a quick spreadsheet using the numbers off wowhead for the Paladin spell damage crafted "Ornate Saronite" and the 3 different PvP "Gladiator's Ornamental" 5 piece armor sets.
Note that the crafted set does not have any sockets or set bonus, it is however ilvl 187 and requires L78 to equip, and is all BoE. The PvP sets all have the same sockets and set bonus.

SET		STA	INT	CRIT	RESIL	SPELL	MP5
Ornate		422	44	87	223	301	26
Savage		396	173	161	207	337	0
Hateful		458	201	195	240	397	0
Deadly		459	284	195	271	452	13
Orn->Sav	-26	+129	+74	-16	+36	-26
Sav->Hate	+62	+28	+34	+33	+60	+0
Hate->Dead	+1	+83	+0	+31	+55	+13

I think the plan for getting PvP gear is this:
Start by gearing yourself up with the 8 pieces of crafted armor & crafted ring, plus any quest rewards or instance drops.
Then just do arenas and BGs like usual. If you can get 1800+ rating then you'll be able to buy the epic set, otherwise you get the blue set. Everyone will need to farm a metric truckload of honor for the accessories anyhow. If you're really good at arenas / play a lot to earn a lot of honor, then maybe you can just buy the honor accessories, break 2K rating, and start buying the better epic set.

I don't see how it's really much different than what we have now.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Heh, thanks for correcting my "all" statement. I should have clarified that the 5-pc armor + weapons was the only stuff I was talking about here.

Regarding the rather huge stat differences between the stuff I saw and what you pulled from WoWhead, I'll hopefully update this with some real beta numbers if I can ever get past all the patches to get in game. :P

[Stabface]

I verified on beta the 5-piece Paladin spell damage sets I listed previously match between wowhead and in-game, the vendor is bugged so can't check prices.