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    Default Team setup discussion - add warlock and/or driud to pally/shammie team for WotLK?

    With the new WotLK talent tree for balance druids, they're starting to look increasingly appealing. I'm not sure if the spelldmg-part of the improved moonkin aura will stack with ToW, but even if it doesn't, a balance druid would still be a nice addition. Warlocks also seem nice, with CoE affecting nature spells also.

    Druid

    1) Earth and Moon:13 % spell damage increase to target
    2) Crit aura (no need to spend talent points in oath)
    3) CC (with root working indoors)
    4) MotW

    Warlock

    1) CoE: 10% spell dmg increase to target (doesn't stack with earth and moon)
    2) Blood pact
    3) Banish allows for a wide range of CC In combination with shaman hex
    4) Wide range of debuffs

    Totems

    In order to estimate to impact of swapping one or more shaman we have to take a look at totems and totem stacking. I've listed the totems by element and priority in a tank/healer/dps group:

    Earth

    1) Tremor
    2) Strength of Earth
    3) Stoneskin
    4) Earthbind (stacks?)
    5) Stoneclaw (stacks - situational)

    Water

    1) Healing/mana* (stacks currently but probably wont in live)
    2) Mana spring** (resto only - situational)
    3) Fire resist (situational)
    4) Poison cleanse (situational)
    5) Disease cleanse (situational)

    Fire

    1) ToW
    2) Flametongue
    3) Searing (stacks)
    4) Magma (stacks - situational)
    5) Fire nova (stacks - situational)
    6) Frost resist (situational)

    Air

    1) Wrath of Air
    2) WIndfury (not sure on usefullness of this one - might work well for paladin aggro generation post-WotLK)
    3) Grounding (stacks)
    4) Nature resist (situational)

    Removing 1 shaman

    By removing 1 shaman, we of course remove one totem per school. Going from 4 to 3 shaman, would result in the loss of:

    1 grounding totem
    1 searing totem
    1 earthbind
    (I haven't mentioned mana/health totems since I assume it won't stack)

    And in the gain of either:

    1) 13% spell damage or 10% spell damage
    2) MotW or blood pact
    3) Root (same targets as hex though) or banish

    There are of course several other advantages, but these are the key reasons for the class-switch. I haven't mentioned crit% since Elemental oath can also supply this.

    Removing 2 shaman

    By removing 2 shaman, we remove 2 totem per school. Going from 4 to 2 shaman results in the loss of:

    2 grounding totems
    2 searing totem
    1 earthbind totem
    1 stoneskin totem (can be replaced by single-target attack power debuff from warlock)
    (I haven't mentioned mana/health totems since I assume it won't stack)

    And the gain of:

    1) +13% spelldamage to target
    2) MotW
    3) Bloodpact
    4) Banish
    5) Root (same targets as hex though)

    Discussion

    So the question remains - what is the better setup, when the options are:

    Tank: Paladin
    Healer: Shaman
    DPS1: Shaman
    DPS2: Druid/Lock/Shaman
    DPS3: Druid/Lock/Shaman

    Now, if you've read all the way down to here, feel free to air your preferences and reasons for/against exchange of one or more classes. Would you prefer keeping 4 shaman? Or switching just one? Or switch two? Maybe add another class?
    Classic - Pyrewood Village, Horde, EU

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    I went with druid, but then again, I had priests.
    Currently not boxing, info below is not really relevant.

    ProtPala+Elemental+Holy+Moonkin+Shadow
    Currently: Level 80+75*4
    Griznia, Leonina, Grizniaah, Leoninja, Grizniiah
    EU - Draenor - PvE
    5xFrostmages @ 45

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