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Quote Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=122174#po st122174
After doing some extensive grouping with Druids, I WOULD NOT ADD ONE to a Shaman team. I have 3 druids in my guild. My Brother, who is more or less equally geared as my Shaman, and a Boomkin Duo that just hit 70. I've run with all three (me tank and heals) or just the duo (me tank heals and one shaman dps).

What I find happening is that Boomkins, no matter how they are geared, pull aggro. A lot. Too much even. And yes, I've got Blessing of Salvation on them, and my tank is pumping out tons of threat. He can hold aggro on my 1200 DPS Shaman easy. But the 500 DPS boomkin duo will pull aggro (wtf you say? I agree).

They get that Wrath haste buff modifier thing (where they crit and the new wrath gets faster or something) and once it reaches max speed, they are pulling aggro unless they completely stop DPSing.

At first I thought it was just my Bro with his gear, because its not too shabby. Then the Boomkins in quest blues and greens did the same thing. Maybe its a bug? Maybe the class is broken, who knows. But if you try and macro in Wrath with Lightning bolts, you'll eventually pull aggro. No matter what you do.

Oh, the back to back 5k starfire crits do it too.
If your druids are doing so much more damage than the shaman such that they pull aggro, that sounds like a good argument to use one, especially on a shaman team where you don't have a tank anyway. The only way the druid is pulling aggro is because his DPS was better than the shaman, right? The aura not stacking is going to affect shaman teams just as much due to elemental oath not stacking with itself, either. But a druid will give you MOTW and a COE-type damage buff which you can't make up for.
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Quote Originally Posted by 'Havelcek',index.php?page=Thread&postID=122190#pos t122190
Are they exceeding you on damage meters or is this purely a broken threat mechanic?
Quote Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=122174#po st122174
What I find happening is that Boomkins, no matter how they are geared, pull aggro. A lot. Too much even. And yes, I've got Blessing of Salvation on them, and my tank is pumping out tons of threat. He can hold aggro on my 1200 DPS Shaman easy. But the 500 DPS boomkin duo will pull aggro (wtf you say? I agree).
Quote Originally Posted by 'Aradar',index.php?page=Thread&postID=122191#post1 22191
Just looking around, the balance tree is getting a threat reduction talent of 30% which should go a long way to making this problem go away. It's actually tied in to a talent that previously only increased balance spell range, now it does both. In the current talents, balance has to spec 15 points in to restoration to get 20% reduction. Of the three level 70 balance druids in your guild, 2 don't have any points in it and 1 only has 4 for 16% reduction which may be part of the problem. However, your shammies only have 10% reduction from talents so the 16% druid should be doing better than them but you say all 3 pull aggro. Either way, 30% in the talents should do the trick.
In short, balance druids have threat issues regardless of dps but it seems they are getting help with this in the next patch. As for elemental oath not stacking, it kind of sucks but at the same time it's not permanent so having several shaman spec in to it just guarantees more up time. If you have a druid in your team, you would just skip this talent. I just pointed it out because people were considering boomkins to replace the stacking of ToW but if you are going to spec Elemental Oath there's really no point.