Blessing of Kings .... nerf?

[Coltimar]

Because +15% Strength for yourself is way better than +10% to all stats for everyone else, right?

So it's better for your tank to suffer mitigation/threat to be a buff bot?

STR isn't for mitigation, it's for threat.
Unless they changed the formula in WotLK the amount of block value from STR is laughable - 1 BV per 20 STR. So if you think +15% STR going to help your mitigation or block-value-generated threat then you're pretty much /fail at math.
If you have 800 base strength as a tank (probable, looking at the Naxx 10/25 man gear) then +15% is going to give you : 800 x .15 / 20 = 6 extra block value. LOL...
Of course, the extra 120 STR is going to help you generate threat through straight physical damage, not a huge amount but some yes. From what I've seen it's totally unneeded in 5 mans though, might be useful in 25's but at that point you should have another Paladin who can cast Kings so yeah you can take those points in +STR instead.

mitigation/threat is what my post said. Strength is a huge part of threat in WotLK, and it does offer some mitigation. Generally raiding Holy Paladins try to collect the majority of significant buffs as to extend their usefulness in raids. If you are a raiding, main tanking paladin you shouldn't worry about what buffs you can bring to the table as much as how much you can do your jobs 1) hold threat 2) soak damage. I'm sorry if my opinion in this matter brings out the dickhead in you, but that's life.

[Notabots]

Alot of the "paladin tank" items have had the spell damage changed to strength, so i can see why people would object to spending their first 5 points in Bok instead of the strength talent

[Stabface]

mitigation/threat is what my post said. Strength is a huge part of threat in WotLK, and it does offer some mitigation. Generally raiding Holy Paladins try to collect the majority of significant buffs as to extend their usefulness in raids. If you are a raiding, main tanking paladin you shouldn't worry about what buffs you can bring to the table as much as how much you can do your jobs 1) hold threat 2) soak damage.

Yes it did say that.
I'm saying it's a very poor defensive talent. This is true even with the 2:1 STR:BV change in WotLK... maybe upgrade it to 'poor' instead of 'very poor', but it's still going to be giving you less BV than some single T7 items will be giving.
I also believe it's unneeded for Threat, and having played a Paladin in beta I did not take and and did not need it for threat. I have ran both my L70 main with T4/T5/badge gear in the beginning instances, and a premade-respec-to-prot through a L80 instance without the talent. I did not have issues with holding threat off appropriately geared and non-bugged DPS. Yes, I couldn't hold aggro off the 4K DPS Rogue but that's a bug and will be addressed. I do know that most of the DPS and threat normalization is not done yet, but I still think it will NOT be needed. I see it as the counterpart to Deflection in the Retribution tree - a filler talent that allows people who aren't focusing on the tree some reason to put points into it. As Retribution spec I will definitely be picking up 5/5 Divine Strength, just like a Protection Paladin will most likely be picking up 5/5 Deflection, and Holy Paladin will most likely be picking up 5/5 Benediction.

I multibox, along with a lot of other people here, and *VERY FEW* people I know of are running multiple Paladins. And the fact is, in a 5-box, giving +10% stats to my DPS is a bigger boost to my survivability than +15% STR can ever possibly be, because the faster things die the less damage I take.

[Coltimar]

Yeah I agree, personal attacks are pretty lame. Especially since math is the one thing I don't /fail at.

[TheBigBB]

Yeah I agree, personal attacks are pretty lame. Especially since math is the one thing I don't /fail at.

I'm not sure if I understand how personal attacks have anything to do with your math skills. Actually, I'm not sure how your math skills are being called into question at all. For a multibox team, the paladin's buffing ability is absolutely important. For raiding, you'd want more threat rather than more buff ability. The only real point of contention that I see going on is that Stabface doesn't think you should even talk about mitigation offered from the talent, even though everyone agrees that there is some amount of mitigation gained. Anyway, I don't see how he was being a dick about it.