GM Malkorix on automation, fairness, PvP balance...

[Vyndree]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...79768787&sid=1

I've added certain quotes to the GM conversations page. It's a GREAT read, though... Well worth the time.

[Monk3yv]

You gotta hand it to malkorix,
one person calmly explaining something to essentially thousands of people,
that simply do not understand the whole issue, has to be exhausting.

Reminds me of highschool :whistling:
My poor poor teachers xD "What do you mean we need to learn algebra?! We are never going to use it!"

[Ughmahedhurtz]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...Id=98786900482

Once again it doesn't address the outrage of being effectively one-shotted by a single player because that player is issuing simultaneous commands to multiple characters. From the point of view of the average player exposed to it, the game mechanics of this are seriously unbalanced.

You appear to be citing theory about the mechanics of game balance and yes, thats pretty much how you try to design games. Almost every time I watch it happen as a practical matter the one multiboxer is hugely OP because the Players in the BGs just don't conform to the intended mechanics for a long list of reasons. Multiboxing is only one of the issues that emerges from this disconnect.

If your players refuse to conform to your intended mechanics does Blizz change the game? I've watched them do it repeatedly...

This response, IMO, is illustrative of "intransigent disagreement," as the poster quoted above stated previously in the thread. It basically shows you that no matter how "logical" the anti-MB arguments seem to be, when confronted with logical counter-arguments and the reason why Blizzard approves _from_ a Blizzard poster, they still fall back on being subjectively outraged by "being effectively one-shotted by a single player." Further, this anti-MB poster shoots herself in the foot by actually telling us that arguments based on "the mechanics of game balance" are antithetical to practical gameplay and really don't matter because that mean old multiboxer just one-shot me and there wasn't a thing I could do about it. Of course, if she'd have been steamrolled at the bridge in AV by a horde rush, that would have been OK because a multi-player zerg isn't as OP as a single-player zerg.

See what she did there? :P

Honestly, I'm always amused by people getting bitten in the ass by their own arguments. Almost as much as them constantly proving that their complaints have nothing whatsoever to do with policy or reality, only the subjective ignominy of being stupid enough to try to take on 5v1 without support. :P

[Xzin]

It is nice that Bliz / the community are spending their time educating the masses. Here is hoping that some of it sticks this time.

People always ignore the negatives:

"Please note that equipment acquisition for multi-boxers tends to be considerably slower than that of single players. Battlegrounds offer one of the only viable means to acquire items at a reasonable rate, in fact. It is more difficult for them to level trade skills, acquire gold, get badges of justice, they don't generally get to raid at all, tend not to do well in arenas, etc.) "

[Talos]

Oh man i LOVE this thread

i just love a good debate
and i also know when i see a debate on false pretenses...

this Kaideline gives me pure Rage....

or as some other said:

"A rose by any other name is a rose. So is a troll that writes quite nicely and calmly. There's no answer that Blizzard can give you, and there is no real answer that you're looking for. It's a difference of opinion, and until we play World of Kaidelinecraft, it will remain such. "

I give kudo's to malkorix, and the NUMOROUS other posters who aided him in giving a pure and simple vision on the subject

i just wish kaidelin our little troll would stop hiding behind his/her false pretenses and stuck up vision and agree in some sort
instead of that he/she keeps falling back on the same remark, the remark which has been dissipated by every poster behind him/her.

bleh.. im drunk and tired... and i dont know how to describe this better in english, i know exactly how to name these types of behaviour in dutch. as mentioned i just love debating.. especially against people who dont like to loose and fall back on the same old pretenses

[Mercurio]

Very interesting read. Thanks V!

Too bad the GM kept rationally describing all the ways multi-boxers are disadvantaged compared to other players. That part was rather depressing. After reading that whole thing I'm almost convinced we have no chance when facing a "normal" team of five. He did note that MBers typically do very poorly in arena, and he should know.

Well, I must admit my 5v5 record of like 83-280 makes me pretty easy to convince. :P

[Talos]

oh wow oh wow oh wow....


kaidelin offering help to new multiboxers:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...493944&sid=1#9

kaidelin defending multiboxers????:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...8881&sid=1#135

well seems kaidelin is leaving for WAR anyway
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...48051&sid=1#15

such a nice little forum troll

[Ughmahedhurtz]

especially against people who dont like to loose

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

[Basilikos]

That troll Kaid is the one that I end up sparring with the most. I've given the same explanation that Mal gave him a million times. Funny stuff, I must say.

[Lyonheart]

I think hes an undercover bliz employee. All this debate only fuels the flames of multiboxing desire! MO MONEY for Bliz!