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Now go and 5 box your way to 2k rating and tell me how manny teams attacked tried to nuke your prot warrior.. Maybe some actually did before they bothered to look you up on the armory.
First of all: I don't like arenas. I only do them to get some 'free' points. Arenas too boring to me. I don't like the constant need of queue'ing, I don't like how gear makes such a difference and I don't like to fight in the confined space every time. I'm a caster, so I don't like pillers neither.

My startpost doesn't even mention arenas, it only mentions battlegrounds.
But I agree that in arenas it's not likely that the warrior is the first target, because arenas are usually much better organized(voice chat and all that).

Bgs arent worth mentioning as the welfare epics brought in crap pve players ruining the fun for every pvper who used to enjoy bgs.
So do you think that arenas don't contain 'crap PvE players'?
And why are 'crap PvE players' ruining the battlegrounds? Do you mean that those opponents aren't challenging enough?

Have you ever fought in blue gear against full merciless teams(e.g. +300spelldmg versus a +1000spelldmg team)? It's practically impossible to win from them, unless you have a completely braindead team in front of you. By giving the good arena players better gear and not giving a stick to the other players wouldn't be fair, because the better opponent doesn't only have more skill but also much better gear which makes it almost impossible to even touch him, let alone killing him.

Also, I think calling batleground epics "welfare epics" is elitist and derogatory.
My team is in full blue and yes i done my 10 games this week to get my points(dooing more with 400 spelldamage is pointless like you said)
In my case it was about+350spelldamage if I recall correctly (last week). I had an epic pvp helmet, epic pvp shoulders and an epic pvp shield. All the rest were blue quest items and even some greens. This means I had absolutely no chance against any well-geared team I was facing (almost every team).

The amount of players who dont care about the outcome and are only there for the "easy" gear. Belive me im not a fan of arenas either but im pointing out how brainded people are in bgs because the TOTAL lack of teamplay.
I agree, battlegrounds are often "everyone for himself". I guess that's why I'm succesful there: My team works as a team and my gear kind of matches the average battleground gear(I guess).

Blizzard then forced us to do premade vs premade but the queues you get is crazy..
Yeah, it's rediculous.

The reason WHY about evey spec is viable in bgs is because of the lack of teamplay and i cant say im elitist by saying that.. I cant see the downside by removing rewards when you lose like in pve when you wipe?? It would certainly make things more fun when people atleast tried instead of wandering around mindless like ALOT do.
It would definitely be more fun to reward the people that diserve it(because it would be more rewarding in general), but it wouldn't work because the gear quality gap between good and average/bad players would grow even bigger.
A good example is enchanting en gems: Anyone with trucklloads of money could buy himself an advantage. So average players with quest blue gear have absolutely NO chance against average players with good gear and money.
But I didn't call you elitist for that, I did that because of the "welfair epics" remark.

When people attack your warrior with a shield it tells how much they know about this game and people like that deserve to lose each time if you ask me! :)
Hehe, indeed.