Maximizing FPS with Maximizer? Issues with very low FPS

[Fixxa]

I've been a VERY happy user of keyclone (5 accounts on 1 PC) for some time, but have been frustrated with low FPS when using Maximizer. I thought it was a hardware issue, but I've since upgraded and have experienced no increase in FPS when using Keyclone.

By way of background, my PC is VERY high-end. I run Vista-64, 8GB of DDR2 800 RAM, quad core proc ocd to 3.2g, and 2x GeForce 9800 GX2s. When running WoW alone, I can push 200+ FPS without breaking a sweat.

The problem starts when using Keyclone, and maximizer. Even when I run only one account through Keyclone/maximizer, I get less than 10 FPS. Running 5 accounts, I get 10 FPS on each account. The only way to improve the FPS is to fiddle with the video settings so the maximizer is overridden, then I get high FPS. Of course, I can't do this on all 5 accounts (running 2 monitors, with 4 accounts in a grid on a 2nd monitor). All 5 accounts are running at 1680x1050 resolution with the "1-to-1" setting selected on maximizer.

Is there anything that I might be missing? Any advice on increasing my FPS?

Thanks for any help.

[Anemo]

Are you using Dual View or Horizontal span for the dual monitors? From what I've read around here there are some major FPS issues when using Dual View that should improve by switching over to Horizontal Span.

I was under the impression this was fixed in Vista and odd that it would happen with just 1 window but might be worth checking.

Have you played around with the maxfps and maxfpsbk options much?

[Elias]

I have almost same problem , i run 1+4 on 2 monitors and with maximizer the fps is reduced by around 50% , i end up playing at 10 fps at AV , which is close to impossible...

I have adjusted the maxfps and maxfpsbk and i cant find an option to change to horizontal span , so i use Dual View , can someone tell me where can i put the horizontal span option (graphics is HD 4850 (ATI catalyst control center)

Also , is there any way that i can uncheck the maximizer enable option , only on 1 display monitor ? when i exit the window mode from wow , keyclone stops working for a reason i am not aware of , please assist , otherwise i think i am going to get another pc , which will be more expensive that i can afford .

[Fixxa]

Are you using Dual View or Horizontal span for the dual monitors? From what I've read around here there are some major FPS issues when using Dual View that should improve by switching over to Horizontal Span.

I was under the impression this was fixed in Vista and odd that it would happen with just 1 window but might be worth checking.

Have you played around with the maxfps and maxfpsbk options much?

The NVIDIA control panel for my cards doesn't have an option for Dual View vs. Horizontal Span. I'm only given the option to use Quad SLI (which limits me to 1 montor) or not. Windows display properties are just as unhelpful. Perhaps the distinction was eliminated in Vista?

I've played with maxfps and maxfpsbk quite a bit. Doesn't affect anything sadly. WTB "min"fps

[keyclone]

i have a quad core running vista64 w/ 8g of memory on a 750i SLi FTW with 2x 260s driving 1 monitor each ... and when i put a 2x2 grid on one monitor in 1280x1024 mode... i can barely get 15 fps on each. but when i put all 5 on one card/monitor running 1920x1200 with a 4 stack on the right.. i get 50 fps on every wow.

i asked a friend at a tech hardware company.. and i was told the problem was most likely the motherboard... as the 750s are throttled in the hopes that people will jump to the 790s. (grrrr)

he did mention there might be a new graphics driver coming out soon (might be out now)... and that it might help (i'm currently running v177.41)

if you find out any info, please let me know

[khardee]

i have a quad core running vista64 w/ 8g of memory on a 750i SLi FTW with 2x 260s driving 1 monitor each ... and when i put a 2x2 grid on one monitor in 1280x1024 mode... i can barely get 15 fps on each. but when i put all 5 on one card/monitor running 1920x1200 with a 4 stack on the right.. i get 50 fps on every wow.

i asked a friend at a tech hardware company.. and i was told the problem was most likely the motherboard... as the 750s are throttled in the hopes that people will jump to the 790s. (grrrr)

he did mention there might be a new graphics driver coming out soon (might be out now)... and that it might help (i'm currently running v177.41)

if you find out any info, please let me know

I myself am running a 790i SLI with 2 9800GX2's that I got yesterday, and for the life of me I cannot
better than 15 FPS when trying ot run 2 monitors. Like the previous poster, my drivers do not have
the dual view vs horizontal span option. It's SLI or Multi-Monitor. So I would say that your friend that
says the 790 would be better is mistaken. With my previous 4 box setup with a single monitor split
4 ways, the system screams. When I enable the second monitor, there is an immediate significant drop
in performance.

I've gone to running a 1 large 4 small on a single 1920x1200 monitor using the config file from the keyclone
site, but I am seeing PIP swap times in the neighborhood of 2 seconds, with noticeable re-rendering going on.
I'm sure I must have something set wrong if you are seeing sub second swaps. Are you using the config that
is posted for 1920x1200 on the keyclone site? If not, could you post your max config file, or perhaps give a
hint or two at setting that I may look to first?

[zanthor]

I've gone to running a 1 large 4 small on a single 1920x1200 monitor using the config file from the keyclone
site, but I am seeing PIP swap times in the neighborhood of 2 seconds, with noticeable re-rendering going on.
I'm sure I must have something set wrong if you are seeing sub second swaps. Are you using the config that
is posted for 1920x1200 on the keyclone site? If not, could you post your max config file, or perhaps give a
hint or two at setting that I may look to first?

The absolute best performance I ever got from KeyClone's PIP was in the 1.5-2second range. The swaps would worsen noticeably in heavy combat with spell effects, etc. Saddly I think this is just a limitation of the platform.

As for the dual view issue, Vista doesn't have it, becuase Vista doesn't need it. The horizontal span options were available through the drivers to fix the fact that XP didn't use video acceleration on secondary monitors at all. The drivers would lie to XP saying it had a single monitor of that resolution and handle the rest internally.

If you are using two video cards and swapping the client from one to the other, you will be utilizing the system bus to transfer data between them, I believe this is why there is a performance hit. This is not a problem with one card & two monitors, but I've been told this is the cause and experienced this situation when I tried dual video cards in my vista box.

[khardee]

If you are using two video cards and swapping the client from one to the other, you will be utilizing the system bus to transfer data between them, I believe this is why there is a performance hit. This is not a problem with one card & two monitors, but I've been told this is the cause and experienced this situation when I tried dual video cards in my vista box.

This is definitely not the situation that I am encountering as I am currently running 2 monitors off of a single card even though I have two.
Actually, for some reason, I can not get a monitor to come up on the second card. I am currently running with both monitor on one card. My preferred setup would be 3 monitors, 2 on one card for WoW and 1 for web surfing etc. on the other. I have an SLI system because I like to
switch the SLI on with maxed out setting for end game raid content. Even running 2 monitors off of one card, my performance goes right
in the tank when I put even a single wow on each monitor. I guess I'll have to decide between doing some more tweaking and testing or
leveling my 4 boomkins to catch up to my DK.

[magwo]

Some info about swap times

Actually, it is possible to achieve excellent swap times - by using OpenGL rendering (--opengl).
However, frameless windows don't seem to work with opengl, and I noticed poor performance during heavy spell effects in OpenGL mode.


The reason Direct3D (default rendering mode) takes so long to resize/swap, is that the device has to be recreated from scratch, which means reloading all textures etc etc etc.
OpenGL handles this differently, so resizing a rendering surface in OpenGL is a minor operation that goes quickly.

Sadly though, it doesn't work at all with maximizer parameters at startup it seems.

[zanthor]

I'd be curious to hear about the performance on these systems using Innerspace, as I had significant performance issues swapping (everything else was fine) until I switched to IS using Windowsnapper.... now ~5ms swaps are the standard.