[WoW] PVE-->PVP xfers now allowed!

[Vyndree]

Also vyndree I would like to point out that if some PVE'rs take advantage of this to move to a PvP server they only gain that advantage for one cycle of loot. Meaning they can transfer over with t7 or whatever, but t8 they will earn like everyone else(since they are now on a pvp server.) So is one tiers worth of loot gained on pve worth this much anguish? I think not.

I'm not "anguished".

However, I would be upset if someone on a PvE server who had easier access to farm materials, consumable use, meeting stone use and whatnot showed up with better gear. Should I get replaced by this person, I would be upset. Am I upset right now? No, it hasn't happened.

I don't have a problem with PvE transfers coming in to be with their friends.
I don't have a problem with PvE transfers coming in because they wanted to level without a gankfest.

I would have a problem if a PvE server player had easier access to gear and took my spot (or one of my friends' spots) in our hard earned raids.
I'd be just as upset if, for example, my guild was currently progression on Karazhan, and some sunwell raider on another PvP server transfered in and took mine or my friends' raiding spots.
I'd be just as upset if I were a raider on a low-pop server that constantly had to deal with not enough attendance for raiding, and therefore slow progression... and an entire guild transfers in just to be "top in progression on the server".

They are all equivalent offenses to me -- one person has an advantage, and travels over to somewhere where there is a disadvantage so that they can feel "top dog" -- THESE will be the PvE transfers that I will despise -- and it's not because of the PvE server, but because this dude has a nasty personality and just wants to strut around, boast, and push people around. These are people with entitlement issues, who think they "deserve" to be the best when they really did nothing. These would be the people that I would make sure get a nice, warm, PvP server welcome. :evil:

The point I was making is, no... leveling is not the only thing that affects PvP servers. Yes, PvE servers have a "jump start" (note that a skilled guild on a PvP server still has a chance of beating a sucky guild on a PvE server in progression -- but taking two equivalently geared raid guilds... the one on the PvE server has a jump start -- it's true) that includes both leveling and any sort of progression that even partially involves being outside in the world.

It sucks, yes, but it's not the end of the world. A person can transfer to a server that is further progressed to make their life easier -- PvE or PvP. But you can't just look at the new PvE -> PvP transfer policy and think "oh, it only applies to leveling. Leveling has been nerfed in 2.3 and with RAF so it doesn't matter". The impact IS bigger. Big enough to QQ about? Nah. Big enough to be aware of? Sure.

I'm not belittling PvE players or PvP players. I'm not even really that upset about the "cycle of gear" you mentioned. I just don't want it to be assumed that PvP servers ONLY affect leveling (which is the general assumption I'm seeing). It affects EVERYTHING you do -- but people focus in on ganking because you can't fight back. What about the prot warrior or healer who's farming mats? Can they fight back, even though they're 70?

I'm just making sure there's awareness. PvP players might have an elitist attitude about their servers, but usually it's in response to a belittlement about the impact that they have to face from BEING on a PvP server.

Being on a PvP server doesn't make you a god at PvP.
Being on a PvP server doesn't mean you CAN'T compete at PvE raid progression.
Being on a PvP server doesn't make you "better".

But being on a PvP server DOES mean that you will have to face extra challenges whenever you step into the world outside of shattrath -- so, in the simplest sense -- us PvP server folks are somewhat idiotically masochistic -- and we get offended when people tell us "nah, you're just like us". Let it be known: PvP server players are either sadists, masochists, or friends of sadists and masochists. We're all crazy idiots who like putting obstacles in our path.

You can come in if you like, but don't belittle our insanity or the impact our insanity has on those around us.

So, PvE transfers: I welcome you with open arms. That is, until you take my hard earned raid spot or strut around like a little snot, to which I will take every advantage of the PvP server rules that you just transfered into.