[WoW] PVE-->PVP xfers now allowed!

[Zzc2]

FFS my guild had a policy of dont bring your PVP flag to raid or we'd /kick you til you resolved it... this was because even on a PVE server we would see consistant delays if some dipshit forgot to toggle off BEFORE coming to an instance... Imagine the ability to NOT turn it off... especiall for the TK instances where you are alive in the GY, honorless or not, people are going to gank you just to gank.

HAHAHAHAAAAA oohh man, that made me laugh. PVE carebears are funny.

[merujo]

another change that in time no one will remember.


any decent player knows the difference between the effort in pve and pvp. imo pve to pvp transfers should only be allowed to those who transfered previously from a pvp server, and regreted it

but, who cares really.

ppl talk about blizzard making money out of multiboxers, when the big money is in these transfers and name changes :P

[Multibocks]

This option is mostly worthless to multiboxers. Seriously, most of us have 15X 60 or more(so that's 375 bucks.) Funny thing is I want a free transfer from pvp to pve, as I'm tired of world pvp. It was fun for a bit, but when I log in now and want to farm, that's it. I don't want to deal with s4 70s and the kid behind the keyboard. Sadly Magtheridon isnt high enough(population wise) for a free transfer, not to mention I don't believe they do free pvp to pve transfers.



edit: and to throw my own weight into the pvp vs pve argument. I have leveled 10+ charactesr 1-70(I had alt-itis for a while) on a pvp server (Malganis.) I also leveled on a pve server with my brother until he quit. Leveling it probably costs you 4 more hours to hit 70 just dealing with the opposite faction. Hardly something to cry about. Then again I do want to leave my current pvp server, so there must be some daily stress involved though I really can't quantify it.

Also vyndree I would like to point out that if some PVE'rs take advantage of this to move to a PvP server they only gain that advantage for one cycle of loot. Meaning they can transfer over with t7 or whatever, but t8 they will earn like everyone else(since they are now on a pvp server.) So is one tiers worth of loot gained on pve worth this much anguish? I think not.

[Vyndree]

Essentially, raid gear is "easier" to get on a PvE server because you don't have the constant fear of interruption thanks to PvP. Even progressing up to the point that you can ENTER raiding -- like blue starter gear... There are always massive meeting stone battles at hellfire, auchindoun, coilfang, TK.... PvP gear wasn't always available, you know. It's like PvE servers get a free "jump start".

For all your arrogant and dumb remarks, you outdid yourself here.

What worries me the most is that you actually believe what you wrote here.... idiot [/quote]

O.o

Wow, if you disagree that strongly with my opinion... I don't see much of a counter-argument here.

From the portion of text you quoted from me...
...are you saying that you disagree with PvP server interruptions?
...are you saying that you disagree with PvP servers having interruptions at meeting stones?
...are you saying that you disagree that PvP server interruptions have any effect on time?
...are you saying that you disagree that the time involved with PvE interruptions negatively affects PvE progression? Why? Don't you believe that time = practice, practice leads to experience, experience leads to learning, and learning leads to completing a difficult task (i.e. raid boss)?

And, are you willing to back up your personal stance with a fact-based rebuttal? Or are you just going to sling personal attacks without any useful counter-argument?


I have to say I am a bit surprised at the hostility. I wasn't aware that I was attacking anyone -- I could've sworn my post was made with every effort of identifying that I was merely stating my opinion and how I felt about the PvE->PvP transfers. (I mean, honestly... the first word in my post is a great big "IMO")

Is there some sort of argument between us that I'm unaware of?


And to be clear, I base my opinion on my experience as a resto shaman soloboxer (prior to multiboxing) from Kara --> SSC/TK (in a guild that was top 5 in progression on my server), and a BT/Hyjal/Sunwell enhancement shaman raider currently working on Kil'Jaeden (the ONLY guild on my server to have killed M'uru).

I believe I have good credentials for my opinions, particularly considering:

1. There was no decent PvP gear to easily supplement my progression, unlike Kara-progression guilds that now have access to S2 honor gear
2. I had raided as a resto shaman prior to the 30% healing->damage, which exacerbated my experience farming mats and consumables on a PvP server. To be utterly clear, my "Farm set" consisted of blue elemental gear I had picked up through quests, totaling 600 +damage. No, I did not have a 70 dps spec "farm alt" at the time.
3. I have experienced "top end" raiding for my server, i.e. competition between guilds for PvE progression on a PvP server. See "Negative Bro" on WoWJutsu

[Vyndree]

Also vyndree I would like to point out that if some PVE'rs take advantage of this to move to a PvP server they only gain that advantage for one cycle of loot. Meaning they can transfer over with t7 or whatever, but t8 they will earn like everyone else(since they are now on a pvp server.) So is one tiers worth of loot gained on pve worth this much anguish? I think not.

I'm not "anguished".

However, I would be upset if someone on a PvE server who had easier access to farm materials, consumable use, meeting stone use and whatnot showed up with better gear. Should I get replaced by this person, I would be upset. Am I upset right now? No, it hasn't happened.

I don't have a problem with PvE transfers coming in to be with their friends.
I don't have a problem with PvE transfers coming in because they wanted to level without a gankfest.

I would have a problem if a PvE server player had easier access to gear and took my spot (or one of my friends' spots) in our hard earned raids.
I'd be just as upset if, for example, my guild was currently progression on Karazhan, and some sunwell raider on another PvP server transfered in and took mine or my friends' raiding spots.
I'd be just as upset if I were a raider on a low-pop server that constantly had to deal with not enough attendance for raiding, and therefore slow progression... and an entire guild transfers in just to be "top in progression on the server".

They are all equivalent offenses to me -- one person has an advantage, and travels over to somewhere where there is a disadvantage so that they can feel "top dog" -- THESE will be the PvE transfers that I will despise -- and it's not because of the PvE server, but because this dude has a nasty personality and just wants to strut around, boast, and push people around. These are people with entitlement issues, who think they "deserve" to be the best when they really did nothing. These would be the people that I would make sure get a nice, warm, PvP server welcome. :evil:

The point I was making is, no... leveling is not the only thing that affects PvP servers. Yes, PvE servers have a "jump start" (note that a skilled guild on a PvP server still has a chance of beating a sucky guild on a PvE server in progression -- but taking two equivalently geared raid guilds... the one on the PvE server has a jump start -- it's true) that includes both leveling and any sort of progression that even partially involves being outside in the world.

It sucks, yes, but it's not the end of the world. A person can transfer to a server that is further progressed to make their life easier -- PvE or PvP. But you can't just look at the new PvE -> PvP transfer policy and think "oh, it only applies to leveling. Leveling has been nerfed in 2.3 and with RAF so it doesn't matter". The impact IS bigger. Big enough to QQ about? Nah. Big enough to be aware of? Sure.

I'm not belittling PvE players or PvP players. I'm not even really that upset about the "cycle of gear" you mentioned. I just don't want it to be assumed that PvP servers ONLY affect leveling (which is the general assumption I'm seeing). It affects EVERYTHING you do -- but people focus in on ganking because you can't fight back. What about the prot warrior or healer who's farming mats? Can they fight back, even though they're 70?

I'm just making sure there's awareness. PvP players might have an elitist attitude about their servers, but usually it's in response to a belittlement about the impact that they have to face from BEING on a PvP server.

Being on a PvP server doesn't make you a god at PvP.
Being on a PvP server doesn't mean you CAN'T compete at PvE raid progression.
Being on a PvP server doesn't make you "better".

But being on a PvP server DOES mean that you will have to face extra challenges whenever you step into the world outside of shattrath -- so, in the simplest sense -- us PvP server folks are somewhat idiotically masochistic -- and we get offended when people tell us "nah, you're just like us". Let it be known: PvP server players are either sadists, masochists, or friends of sadists and masochists. We're all crazy idiots who like putting obstacles in our path.

You can come in if you like, but don't belittle our insanity or the impact our insanity has on those around us.

So, PvE transfers: I welcome you with open arms. That is, until you take my hard earned raid spot or strut around like a little snot, to which I will take every advantage of the PvP server rules that you just transfered into.

[Schwarz]

Vyndree was your guild in SSC/TK or BT/MH before the attunments were lifted?

[Vyndree]

Indeedy.

Suvega was in BT/Hyjal before the attunements, but this was when our Kara-thru-SSC/TK guild (led by Suvega) was disbanding due to attendance issues and merging into various other guilds. (for reference, this guild disbanded over 6 months ago, and via WoWJutsu's scoring system would still be considered 23rd in progression on the server -- Archimonde, as a server, does not have many PvE progression guilds). Suvega now uses our old guild bank as his personal bank.

When I started raiding again as Enhancement, I had killed Vashj and Kael but hadn't completed my prequest, so I had only gotten the Kael vial. (Not many guilds were doing SSC/TK anymore, so I had to pug it) Luckily by the time my new guild needed me to insta-respec to a tier5/6 capable enhancement shaman, the patch that removed the BT/Hyjal attunements had made it live.

I've had to deal with pretty much every boss from Magtheridon to M'uru and everything around and in-between in their pre-nerf state.


Even our multiboxed 2-man kara runs were done before the kara attunement was lifted. Let me tell you, multiple runs of Slabs and our lovely friend Blackheart the Inciter was "fun".

[Tehtsuo]

Personally I put in my dues and leveled my team on a PVP, and am glad now I have the option to transfer to a PVE server without forfeiting my rights to transfer back to a PVP server.

[Thulos]

I thought I would be pissed if this ever came about and I now realize I really don't care. Heck, I'm debating on taking advantage of this and leveling my 4x mage team on a pve server then xfer it over.

[Velassra]

Essentially, raid gear is "easier" to get on a PvE server because you don't have the constant fear of interruption thanks to PvP. Even progressing up to the point that you can ENTER raiding -- like blue starter gear... There are always massive meeting stone battles at hellfire, auchindoun, coilfang, TK.... PvP gear wasn't always available, you know. It's like PvE servers get a free "jump start".

For all your arrogant and dumb remarks, you outdid yourself here.

What worries me the most is that you actually believe what you wrote here.... idiot

Found this thread this morning at work so I couldn't post.....


Wow, what a fucking dick.