[WoW] PVE-->PVP xfers now allowed!

[Lorune]

Essentially, raid gear is "easier" to get on a PvE server because you don't have the constant fear of interruption thanks to PvP. Even progressing up to the point that you can ENTER raiding -- like blue starter gear... There are always massive meeting stone battles at hellfire, auchindoun, coilfang, TK.... PvP gear wasn't always available, you know. It's like PvE servers get a free "jump start".

For all your arrogant and dumb remarks, you outdid yourself here.

What worries me the most is that you actually believe what you wrote here.... idiot

[zanthor]

I personally intend to use this transfer for a level 10 with lots of trade goods... I've wanted to start on a PVP server however with the rate RAF levels you really need gold to back it. So I'll mule about 15K gold over in the form of epic gems, primals, etc and resell and start my life as 4 shammies on a pvp realm.

[blast3r]

Essentially, raid gear is "easier" to get on a PvE server because you don't have the constant fear of interruption thanks to PvP. Even progressing up to the point that you can ENTER raiding -- like blue starter gear... There are always massive meeting stone battles at hellfire, auchindoun, coilfang, TK.... PvP gear wasn't always available, you know. It's like PvE servers get a free "jump start".

For all your arrogant and dumb remarks, you outdid yourself here.

What worries me the most is that you actually believe what you wrote here.... idiot

What on earth crawled up your ass that you would talk to her like that? She is posting her opinion and just because you don't agree with it doesn't make her an idiot. She has been very successful with boxing and I think she has enough experience to make the comment she did.

:thumbdown:

[Schwarz]

Essentially, raid gear is "easier" to get on a PvE server because you don't have the constant fear of interruption thanks to PvP. Even progressing up to the point that you can ENTER raiding -- like blue starter gear... There are always massive meeting stone battles at hellfire, auchindoun, coilfang, TK.... PvP gear wasn't always available, you know. It's like PvE servers get a free "jump start".

For all your arrogant and dumb remarks, you outdid yourself here.

What worries me the most is that you actually believe what you wrote here.... idiot

You are dumb. I raided on a pvp server and there were times that it would put us back 10-15 minutes of start b/c the opposite faction had control of the area. Even if you get everyone to SSC for example you might have to do 2 or 3 corpse runs to actually make it into the instance. I remember a couple times having the whole raid zone out to clear some alliance to get a few more people in. Staying with the SSC discussion you need to farm primals for resistance sets. I have a feeling this is takes longer when you have the option of being killed several times.

So to summarize from your simpleton mind. Things take longer on a pvp server. IE

It's like PvE servers get a free "jump start"

[Kel]

For all your arrogant and dumb remarks, you outdid yourself here.

What worries me the most is that you actually believe what you wrote here.... idiot

Have you actually played on a well populated PvP server?

I remember hiding in BRM while watching 2 horde raids and 1 alliance raid making their way to MC and it definately wasn't a case of everyone letting the rest get on with it. I used to go afk when flying to Light's Hope Chapal, because before they added guards there you could rely on a horde being there to kill anyone landing (and every time you ressed until you got far enough away that they couldn't be bothered to look for you anymore). I can't imagine this is any better at level 70 near popular instances. The lower levels are probably fairly tame compared to when a lot of people were levelling up pre-BC (I've played one of my old alts recently, but only in DWM and at off-peak times, so no idea if bored high levels still wander around looking for easy pickings), as I imagine most 70s are in outlands ganking people.

I haven't played properly on a pvp server for ages, because when I decide to do something I actually want to be able to do it, rather than have some bored ganker decide that they really want to ruin my day (and believe me, some will). I can't imagine the hassle it must be to do simple things like dailies or primal farming. The worst I have to deal with is people stealing my mobs (which are of course automatically mine when I decide I want to farm them) and maybe killing a gryphon master or escort npc. Now imagine how much fun it would be if that person (or group) killed you everytime you were in range so you have to corpse run or fly back to carry on grinding/questing.

Vyndree believes what she wrote because it's true to her experience of life on a PvP server. I believe it because it's very similar to my experiences on a PvP server and I highly doubt they've changed that much - the focal points will just have moved to new hot spots. You've decided not to provide any compelling evidence for your rebuttal of her opinions and I'm left wondering if you actually have any experience of a PvP server or are just making assumptions that they are not much different from PvE ones.

[5fingersofdoom]

Just to add I like this decision by Blizzard,now if only they would only add exclusive content for PvP only servers 8o

[Schwarz]

There are little things that happen on PVP servers that you might not experience on PVE servers. Like opposite factions going afk on quest turn in NPC's. If you aren't careful when you go to right click the quest turn in NPC you attack and then aggro guards which then kill you and cause durability.

I feel I need to further explain the free jump start.

If you have 2 equally geared and skilled raids one on a PVP server and one on a PVE server. They both raid 4 nights a week for 4 hours. They should progress at the same point through the content. But lets say one group raided for an extra 15 minutes every night. While this is a small difference it could be one more attempt on a boss. So 4 more attempts on bosses per week. The group that is getting more attempts will surely advance quicker.

Where does this 15 mins extra come from? Well fighting over the summoning stone or corpse running into an instance 2 or 3 times.

[Naysayer]

Essentially, raid gear is "easier" to get on a PvE server because you don't have the constant fear of interruption thanks to PvP. Even progressing up to the point that you can ENTER raiding -- like blue starter gear... There are always massive meeting stone battles at hellfire, auchindoun, coilfang, TK.... PvP gear wasn't always available, you know. It's like PvE servers get a free "jump start".

For all your arrogant and dumb remarks, you outdid yourself here.

What worries me the most is that you actually believe what you wrote here.... idiot

I agree with Vyndree. Have you ever played on a pvp server, or is silvermoon pve your only experience?



My opinion is, I don't care now that pvp gear is decent enough to compete in most situations, rather than when Naxx raiding guilds always had the advantage in pvp gear-wise and PVE Naxx guilds were a dime a dozen compared to PVP server Naxx raiders.

[Kyudo]

I'm PvE, proud of it, and will continue to be so...

I am ok at pvp, and do it when I feel like it.

I dont doubt that it is less hassle to level on a PVE server, but the way I see it, you just add time and frustration to the levelling exercise on a PVP server, and have it "normal" on a PVE server. Guess it depends on your point of view.

This does not mean raiding itself is easier on a PVE server per-se.

[zanthor]

I'm PvE, proud of it, and will continue to be so...

I am ok at pvp, and do it when I feel like it.

I dont doubt that it is less hassle to level on a PVE server, but the way I see it, you just add time and frustration to the levelling exercise on a PVP server, and have it "normal" on a PVE server. Guess it depends on your point of view.

This does not mean raiding itself is easier on a PVE server per-se.

Yer right, the actual skill to kill BossA on PVE vs PVP server doesn't change.

The pain in the ass to farm a 300+ nature resist and frost resist set on PVE is trivial compared to PVP... the fact that you can get ganked multiple times on the way to the instance...

FFS my guild had a policy of dont bring your PVP flag to raid or we'd /kick you til you resolved it... this was because even on a PVE server we would see consistant delays if some dipshit forgot to toggle off BEFORE coming to an instance... Imagine the ability to NOT turn it off... especiall for the TK instances where you are alive in the GY, honorless or not, people are going to gank you just to gank.

And to Lorune... of all the people to attack, you pick one of the most loved in the community (And not just because she has a great fishtank)... Wow, priceless.