I'd also like to point out that i did grind pvp in pre-tbc and as such, to a large degree, i really DO enjoy pvp. It does however need to have sufficient variety. Wow is kind of lacking in specs but then depending on the build players throw wildcards into the fight at any given moment. You might get sheeped, feared, have to trinket, get a long cooldown ability come up for you or the other player. All I had in war was "it's a caster, it will either dot, dd or aoe me... oh there was a surprise". Same for the melee, tanks and healers. Once in a while, like clockwork, they'd do one of their special abilities which usually did dd... or aoe. All a bit sterile, pointless and grindy.