Multiboxing and Raiding DKP

[Eteocles]

Discussing DKP equality is the same as discussing religion or politics; it's highly situation and position based and there is NEVER a consensus reached ;p Only thing you can do is discuss it with your particular DKP Overlords and see what's available to you vs your position within the raid.

If they can replace you easily, be on the defense, give in to some demands make some concessions, protect your privilege to raid.

If you're one of the handful of raiders in your guild that's actually competent and knows the encounters/pulls their weight, be on offense more without sounding too conceited. This is how I got away with alot of things in my raid environments, while I joke and screw around alot outside of boss encounters to keep the mood light, when crunch time comes I'mtotally focused and not only watching/doing my own job, half the time I was watching/doing someone else's too cuz they were too damn stupid/stubborn to do so and held us back if I hadn't covered them. I proved myself as a Boomkin Raider before they were even considered raid viable classes(or even viable period) and thus got to go on any raid I wanted and had fair shot at all upgrade loot(sans MT Tier gearups but that's a given)

The same will go for boxers, just don't expect special DKP rules as DKP is a pain in the ass to work with as it is without special exceptions. Just take normal DPK on EACH char(They all need to gear up; if YOUR PARTICULAR GUILD AND/OR LEADER WILL ALLOW IT, ask if you can have "pass" rights to Buy with one and pass it to a specific alt if need be; this is a case by case basis though and your raid leader may either agree or laugh at you and kick you out of the raid/guild ;p)

Edit: And always remember: As I said above, it's a privilege, not a right; be thankful if they take more than 1 char at all, and don't be too stubborn to sit out chars for others, or tone down to 1-2 chars on the harder movement based fights where a bunch of stacked chars = death.

[Rudi89]

The video you posted is aelli doing the most simplistic job on a fight that his guild has been farming for -months-. If you've been in a guild who's been farming content for months, you'd understand that it's like pulling teeth to get enough people to show up, (especially for fights like vash and kael).

Yeah, I would think you could bring multiple toons to some farming content depending on how progressed your guild is and, well, depending on the fight. I do suspect that will change when WotLK comes out though and folks are scrambling to get their toons geared and zoned in to the first lvl 80 raids. I would think it would be tough to get raid slots with multiple toons at that point, owing to my experience when TBC came out, as you get 'waves' of folks leveling to the cap together and they end up forming the first raids together. Since most multi-boxers level 'by themselves' you miss out on that.

[TheBigBB]

Another point to be made against the idea of equal DKP treatment across your characters is that if you go on vacation, and your raid was seriously recruiting with your 4 or 5 guys in mind as being a staple of the raid (once again, highly unlikely), then it's way too big of a blow to the group. The full boxing team should only be brought in for farm encounters, to fill in empty spots, or just for the fun of it. Serious fail to gear out that team if that one guy gquits, disappears, doesn't show, etc.

[Drizzit]

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you said butt... :P

First off I said good luck finding an understanding guild. If you happen to find one, grats to you. Secondly, in my PERSONAL view, it would be selfish to think that you can get in 4 characters at the detriment of your fellow guildmates (lol I get to take 4 characters, and you none).
That isn't a -soapbox-, it's a personal view.

I don't think it is selfish, well unless you are raid leader then it is. If the raid leader says that it is ok to bring all 4 then it isn't selfish. If he says no and you beg him to say yes, then it is selfish. When i joined my guild the guild leader asked what one was my main. Even though i play all of them as my main, he wanted to know what one was considered my main. They all get dkp, but like others say my alts get second grabs to someone's main, which i don't have a problem with and i agree with. But if my main and another main want something it should go after dkp cause i have earned it (if i have more then him). When i sign up for kara (all i can do now), i sign up with all 4 and tell the person that is running it, i would like to take all 4 to the instance, but i don't mine bringing only 3, 2 or only 1. The really good thing is that the guild leader is pro boxer, i have a friend in there (both in the same guild before it disbanded), 2 others that saw me dual boxing ab and another 3 that i helped with a quest before i was in the guild. There is only 1 person that doesn't like me as of now, and said something bad to me in guild chat and those people whispered me right away saying don't worry about him.

[Suvega]

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Seems fair drizzit. I think where I go off the deep end is when people try to pull shinanigins like "All my chracters or none" and "I want special DKP privs". Transfering dkp between characters? uhh wat?
If you're reasonable about your requests, I'm sure plenty of guilds wouldn't mind raiding with a boxer. (I.e. normal dkp if dkp is involved, and you take as many charcters as spots are needed, but don't complain if they sit 1 /2 / 3 etc)

[Drizzit]

Seems fair drizzit. I think where I go off the deep end is when people try to pull shinanigins like "All my chracters or none" and "I want special DKP privs". Transfering dkp between characters? uhh wat?
If you're reasonable about your requests, I'm sure plenty of guilds wouldn't mind raiding with a boxer. (I.e. normal dkp if dkp is involved, and you take as many charcters as spots are needed, but don't complain if they sit 1 /2 / 3 etc)

Agreed. Haven't raided yet with the group, but talked to a the raid leader that i am raiding on Friday about it. I also told him if it doesn't work out that i will bow one, two, or three of my guys out to get someone else.

I would love to transfer dkp to toons, but i will get a lot of hate from players and I don't even think that is right. Maybe sense i am a first time raider (BC is the first time i raided, but raided in kara, gruuls, and mag) and i am hooked on it. I rather pick my battles, like pushing to go solo ssc, instead of pushing 4 shams in kara... this way guildies see i am a team player and don't complain too much.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I don't think you read my post, or something. The alts would be able to gear, just not over other mains, and the 'main' for the multi-boxer would be gaining much more DKP than other folks in raid, ensuring he/she would get first pick on DPS loot. Seeing how you'd have, say, 4 shammies, odds are you'd be gearing them about equally fast with everyone else (and your main would be able to outbid pretty much everyone else). It's the same way that the guild treats folks with multiple alts who raid (though not all at the same time). With a DKP system you want to reward folks who down bosses but you want to avoid gearing up alts instead of new raiders who you need to replace folks who leave the game for whatever reason. Plus you avoid the administrative nightmare that is tracking DKP per toon, as opposed to raider, and you don't punish people who are nice enough to bring their healer alt, say, instead of their DPS main so that you have enough folks to zone.

It would be tough to always seed all the toons of a multi-box player though. If the player was flexible and could bring anything from 1-to-all of his/her toons, depending on need, I don't see how folks could object. But when you're sitting (geared/non-retarded) folks over multi-box toons I think that would end up hurting the guild recruting-wise and morale-wise. It's hard enough maintaining the numbers needed to raid with your typical guild drama and I think simply by it's nature multi-boxing would hurt your retention of folks who are the best raiders; folks who raid for content, not loot.

Fair points, all. As you say, once you get to a certain point, there are a ton of variables, meaning no easy answers. :P My perspective is, perhaps, a bit short-sighted.

[Rudi89]

Fair points, all. As you say, once you get to a certain point, there are a ton of variables, meaning no easy answers. :P My perspective is, perhaps, a bit short-sighted.

No worries, I'm an officer in a (casual) raiding guild (3/9 BT, 2/5 MH). We've dealt with folks leaving, coming back, rerolling, running alts, etc., etc., which all can be DKP/loot nightmares. The main thing I would recommend if you're looking to raid as a multi-boxer is to find a raiding guild that isn't run by crazy people. Being in a good guild makes all the difference. It also helps to not be a crazy person yourself. Just remember that all your purple pixels will go away some day and focus on having fun experiences.

I will say that Resto Shammies are almost always in demand by raiding guilds so if you're looking to raid just app-ing with one shammie (your instance healer) might be a smart idea.