Unintended Consequences - Blizzard Broke Arena

[pinotnoir]

When they form a new team it resets their rating to 1500.. So you have originally 2000+ rated players farming teams for gold at 1500 at a steady pace. So any new team has a really tough time starting. This is why I suggest a permanent personal rating. No team rating rest. If you change teams your rating is whats kept. You can make 100 teams but you will face other teams similar to your teams players avg rating. It would keep things fair.

Hardly, this would likely make the problem worse.

Example: Full S4 Mage/Warrior/Pally at 2200 selling "powerleveling" through rating. A 1500 Priest and 1600 Warlock join the team. They will face teams w/ an average of 1940. Now, the 1500 and 1600 members will gain personal rating at +30 pts a game. -30 to the losing side becasue their personal rating is much lower than the teams rating.

Example: Warrior at 2k, team can't break 2k. He wants 50 pts for weapon shield. Leaves team, joins a new team with people fresh out of the BGs at 1500. Average personal rating 1600.
So he can earn 2,3 pts a game to get his last 50 pts, without really "earning" it in the 2k bracket.

The system is fine how it is. What they need to do is limit the number of teams you can join per week.

If a 1500 and 1600 rated player can beat another team with the avg rating I say let them have the points. They may be facing 3 people rated 1940 in which case the new guys would prob get whipped. The point I am making is the people they face will be equally rated no matter if its a 2200 1500 1600 or 3 1940's. I dont see any problem with anyone advancing their personal rating if they can win.

[mrmcgee21]

I have run accross a lot of gladiator title teams since I hit 70 5 weeks ago and started my 5's team ( 4 shamans and a friend playing the pally ). Yes its hard, but I acknowledge that a lot had to do with skill. Consider those glad teams good practice for the future because you want to BEAT them eventually, and typically you lose few points against them ( I know sometimes they jsut started fresh at 1500 and that sucks ). Anyways I just want to say, after starting 5 weeks ago my team is now sitting firmly in the mid 1700 rating ( we have broke 1800 ) and i feel quiet competitive. So it can be done, yes its frustrating but competition can be that way.

Thext of crushridge ( currently playing the Ox's Oxaz, Oxay, Oxax, Oxaw, Oxan ) highest rating 1837 in 5's

[Stabface]

What they promised, and never delivered, was gear matching... which would fix this problem entirely IMO.

Not 100%, you'll still get the small segment of sadists that enjoys steamrolling undergeared and lesser skilled people for thrills. But I'd rather be outskilled and learn something from the experience than how the current system stands.

No, it would be 100% fixed.
Right now what we have is a rating system that is designed for player skill, but the game rules are heavily dependent on items.
To fix it we need to come up with a ranking system that either includes gear, or change the game rules so that gear isn't so heavily a factor.
So either gear matching, or, change the points calculation so that the better your gear is the less points you get.

I guarantee if you take pretty much *any* team that is stuck in 1400-1500-1600 area and fill them up with full S4 gear, they'll climb right up the rankings until they reach their natural ceiling based on their skill.

[Alemi]

Deleted my post. It just sounded bitchy and whiny.

[Mercurio]

Deleted my post. It just sounded bitchy and whiny.

Lol, I think my first post sounds a bit that way too, but I think I'm whining about something that is inherently unfair and broken so feel justified :P

[Klamor]

Less QQ more PewPew..... :thumbsup:

[Elektric]

Listen people, I have been playing at the top for weeks.

You don't know how frustrating it can be at the top. I don't call the arena que "average wait time" I call it "Average Time between Queue Dodges." Gear makes things easier but after weeks and weeks of finally having the gear to compete top teams dont requeue. So why would I not reset my team?

I finally got the number four team in my bg group to play me, more than once. They played my new reroll 6 times. The price you ask? I won 5 games and lost 1. They lost 30+30+29+28+27-2=142 pts. Did it feel good beating a great team? You bet. Did they have better gear, they sure did. I beat teams all the time in full S4. At 400 resilience and 800dmg it becomes a game of execution. Arena can be frustrating and sometimes it can feel like you cant win. The team I just described, I met a week earlier. My healer told me "I have been playing this game for 3 years, and trust me when I say they are unbeatable." Funny how a week with a focus macro set up changes things. Up'd my game and I was felt unbeatable.

Instead of worrying about Blizzard making the arena fair. Take the opportunity to lose game after game and figure out what you are doing wrong. The room for error with a shaman Quadbox is small. If you're not on top of your game even a sorry team can hand you a loss.

I have said it over and over, gear is not an excuse for losing. Take your losses learn from them and realize that as a Shaman Quadbox team your potential is unlimited. If you think just showing up with 4 shaman should produce wins, I have as much respect for you as the people that grief Ellay because they think theirs no skill in playing 4 toons. I would be willing to bet that if we put together a team of the top Quadboxers on this forum we could easily have a top 10 on any BG group.

In the arena stop measuring success by your rating and measure it by what your learning. With the right healer, time, gear, and practice you'll not be so pessimistic. What Ellay does is special, and instead of being frustrated with your rating realize, he's REALLY that good. Watch his videos, learn his play style, mimic him, and enjoy the sweet taste of success.

Keep your heads up, arena's broke but there's still fun to be had!

[merujo]

Instead of worrying about Blizzard making the arena fair. Take the opportunity to lose game after game and figure out what you are doing wrong.

qft

[Negative1]

An idea:
500g to leave a 5v5 team. Cost decreases by 100g each week. Why: It cuts into the profit of team carriers making it less profitable. However players stuck with a team and want to reset or find better players etc. are not penalized so badly. Think of it like the cost to reset talents... sure its an expense if you switch a lot but its very cheap if you change ever few months or so.

[Mercurio]

At 400 resilience and 800dmg it becomes a game of execution.

I was surprised at your numbers. Is that what you have? And you are one of the highest teams in your battlegroup? Wow.

My guys are at 436 resil and 896 dmg and I've been in the 1400s for over two months. I have 151 games played and my current rating is 1401. Same pally healer for all those games with similar gear.

I've watched all the Aelly vids a ton of times, have redone my macros a number of times to tweak and optimize, use an 8-button mouse so all the critical actions are instantly available, read this board for tips, etc. etc.

The only time I get that "sweet taste of success" is when we play teams that don't have 2+ gladiators.

Unfortunately, this doesn't happen very often.