Who's the 30 boxer? :)

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ok well humm, looking hard. Well at least though if you can get epic drops every 100 or so trash killz Ill be able to get some decent loot.

As to graphics:

[Korruptor]

Ok one thing I been thinking about is that people are saying the boss mobs cant be boxed in WoW for some reason or other. As you saw in EQ I have a large number of entirely different classes, and EQ is harder then WoW. Can someone give me a url as to exactly why boss mobs in WoW are somehow different then EQ mobs that makes them impossible for boxers?

A URL? How about personal experience? Most bosses in WoW require players to make very precise and coordinated movements and spell choices, or it's a wipe. You can't even get past those mechanics by outleveling most of the time - though possibly if you were 20 levels ahead. The Molten Core is the only instance that resembles EQ raid design, from what I know about the games, and as such it can be 3 manned anyway. You still need 20+ INDIVIDUALS to take on level 60 Naxxramas at level 70!

Some mechanics could be brute-forced by waiting for the next expansion, but not most of them. How about random, extremely deadly fires shooting all over the ground and players getting punted into the sky, where one death means the raid wipes or nearly wipes? You need to micromanage movement over ALL your characters and use special items at the exact moment to not die from fall damage. Fall damage isn't something you can mitigate with levelups. I mean, really, how can you precisely move 25 at one time in totally different directions? WoW is full of battles requiring SPLIT SECOND movement out of fire and looting special items and using them at the right time. There's even a fight where you turn into a ghost who goes and does battle with other ghosts, and you have two separate ghosts going at once. I don't even know if a level 80 squad will be able to bypass this by having enough DPS to kill the boss before you wipe. The only time you would be able to do a WoW raid boss is if you can kill it before the mechanics matter, which isn't that much of an accomplishment. People stick to 5 and a few 10 mans because many or most of those bosses can be micromanaged well enough. But even then, not even an experienced boxer has full cleared the easiest 10-man there is.

Don't bother trying to convince Sam of anything. If this thread is a testimony of anything it is that he thinks the end game for WoW will be a cake-walk for a 20+ boxer and so much easier then EQ. Let him level his 26/27 characters with his stubborn misconception of what he'll be able to do with end game bosses and then he will understand that while leveling in EQ is harder then in WoW the end game raiding in WoW is far more challenging.

Experience is the best teacher. Let him learn his lesson.

[Tonuss]

Everquest's graphics were good for its time, and they did a decent job updating them as they went along, but I would not call them "real." Real jerky, maybe.

For me, as long as the look is consistent and the animations are well designed, I have no problem with it. EQ's animations weren't all that great but like many players I played it in first-person mode and it didn't seem so bad. Plus, this was years ago and true 3D in an online game was a rarity and the feeling was that they did a good job with what they had. WoW's animations are much smoother and the overall design is consistent. The more realistic you get, the harder it is to make the animation convincing, because real life is a lot more complex than the cartoony look of WoW. Invariably, you get characters that move stiffly or awkwardly, and it ruins the immersion.

One day they'll have it right, but for now I think WoW's approach works better.

[Souca]

On the graphics topic:

EQ/EQ2/all other games that try and look real... they try so hard the game ends up looking like shit. Total and complete shit. I mean, when I play WoW, I know its fake, and the developers are not trying to fool me or anything. The game is colorful and fun.

In EQ and other types of games where the Dev. is "trying" to make it look "real" ... I actually find it somewhat insulting. Its like "You really expect me to believe this shit? Are you serious?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
It's a common phenomena, and one of the reasons I like WoW graphics over other games like Conan.

As for BC bosses to multibox, Mag's could be very doable if you are precise and plan well. Now that the channeling debuff is gone, you could just have slaves walk backwards toward the walls to avoid the knockback and as long as there is one near enough to a cube you could interrupt each blast wave. Conflags would be the biggest problem, but if you kept 5 or 6 tight groups, you might be able to get them out of the conflags in time. With no melee, you should be able to tank Mags where everyone was in range of him at the cubes. Still would be very hit or miss, especially since you have to set up with all the channelers and the infernals at the beginning. I'd love to watch the fraps, but I'm not sure I'd wanna try it.

- Souca -

[Jaws5]

Guys,

its all good , have fun , have goals , play to win.


In most cases their is nothing new under the sun. But that's the real world. This world is not real (part of its appeal)


With RAF someone should try 10 or 25 Paladins they have unlimted aoe

5 dins would do about 500 dps on each traget in range

fear would be a problem but theirs always the bubble.


I would try to use free lvls on a din to power lvl more toons as needed

Prepared has option to power lvl each grp since he is only using grps of 4 now.

[puppychow]

Remember what you were like when you were 14 years old? When beating your friend at Super Mario Brothers was all that mattered, everything you knew about girls came from ... unreliable ... sources, and there was no filter between brain/mouth? Well, thats Sam. For the one extreme of the workaholic who works up until the second he dies, we have the other extreme of the Peter Pan videogamer who never grew up. Its charming in a weird kind of way. While I love having a wonderful wife and kids and a job I enjoy, sometimes it would be nice sitting at home playing video games all day, going to concerts at night, and spending your waking moments worrying about the strangest things like how much maximum DPS I can put out solo. Not sure about the hooker banging though 8o 8o 8o

WOTLK raiding is a step up from TBC, its going to be difficult to multibox solo. The best thing really is a group of multiboxers getting together, I'm sure there will be ways such that 4 of class X + 4 of class Y + 2 tanks will be able to brute force Naxx and other places. Blizzard also tends to release instances initially very difficult, and then slowly tune it to be easier while simultaneously making it easier to get newer gear that will make older stuff easier.

[Talamarr]

You're not top boxer until you 25 box Kael and Vashj, imo.

[Bena]

Less talk.. more pew pew..

I'd love to see some cool vids from the MMBs (massive multiboxers
); Prepared is in his 30s I think .. but Sam you gotta get out of the
starting valley dude.. get to 20 at least come on man.. all that
hardware/toons and nothing is happening.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I just wrote a program that will open wow, enter the account name, enter the password, get to the character screen, close open windows cept wow, log in the other 4 on the same computer in the same way and then close itself lol ...

So now I can press a single key and have all 26 at the character screen with the program that got them there closed before I start to play!

Ya I might be behind now but I am getting PREPARED.

Well Prepared might also be Prepared but Prepared isn't as Prepared as I'm Prepared cause I'm really Prepared in general and I'm even getting Prepared for Prepared.

[Zub]

grats, almost level 1