WOLK and shaman team future (totems)

[Naysayer]

water shield[/url] at level 62.

Furthermore, with the 2.3 patch changes to decrease 20-60 leveling time, and the 300% RAF experience bonus (if you choose), you really have nothing to complain about. Try drinking once in a while. Mana spring never stacked to begin with, so there's no nerf there.

Besides, you'll have flametongue weapon for extra +damage so you can kill faster, so you don't have to "suffer" through the terribleness that is 50-62 elemental shaman leveling.

From 51 to 70 stacking ToW was decent and does help. You've got to be crazy to think it doesn't and he shouldn't be a little upset about losing it.

[NoobShammy]

I take it also that elmental oath does not stack either correct? That itself would offset if not surpass totem of wrath.

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=51470#comments

Your spell critical strikes grant your party Elemental Oath, reducing the mana cost of spells and abilities by your party by 2% and increasing critical strike damage by 2%. Stacks up to 3 times. Lasts 15 seconds

[Naysayer]

I'm not complaining given the compensation talents[/url]...

Besides, instead of staggering why not just increase the totem range by first doing a spread-out and then lay all the tremors? It'll still break the fears.

Astral shift is great, i agree.

Because the whole point of staggering them was to reduce the time feared to 1.5 seconds or less.

It's the stacking of grounding totems that's the killer. Whether it stays or goes will determine whether shaman 5's stays or goes. Dropping them in sequence won't work nearly as well since you'll be losing too much time to the global cooldown.

If they remove stacking grounding totems I would consider that a direct nerf to multiboxers.

[Vyndree]

From 51 to 70 stacking ToW was decent and does help. You've got to be crazy to think it doesn't and he shouldn't be a little upset about losing it.

Oh, and speaking of mana... It's not like this isn't MORE overpowered than ToW...
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=51470

Quoted Your spell critical strikes grant your party Elemental Oath, reducing the mana cost of spells and abilities by your party by 2% and increasing critical strike damage by 2%. Stacks up to 3 times. Lasts 15 seconds.


You know, because it's on a tier BEFORE ToW.

Ok, so let's say I only 4-box...

I've got one specced ToW, and the rest not. That's 3% crit and let's ignore the fact that it also buffs damage (via crit).

I've now got a brand new spiffy Elemental Oath (on the LO tier) that increases damage (let's ignore that bit again) and reduces mana cost of all spells and abilities (including emergency heals) by up to 6%.

Every time I crit, the mana cost of my next TWO spells is decreased by 40%. Now the math is a little complicated, but we'll just assume best case scenario and that you don't double-crit (since you know, your gear sux so bad pre-BC). If you have a 3% crit chance, and a 40% *2 = 80% mana reduction when you crit, that's an effective (80% / 100) * 3 = 2.4% mana cost reduction on spells.

2.4% mana redux from ONE tow + 6% mana reduction from Elemental Oath = 8.4% mana redux for best-case scenario.


Now let's do the same for 4x stacked ToW...

2.4% * 4 totem of wraths = 9.6% mana redux from stacked ToW.



Now let's look at the damage increase from both.
4x ToW = 12% crit * 100% increase in damage each crit = 12% increase in damage.

New ToW + Elemental Oath 3 stack = 3% crit * 100% increase in damage each crit + 6% ToW flat damage + 6% crit Elemental Oath 3stack * 100% increase in damage each crit = 15% increase in damage.


So you're trading -1.2% delta in mana efficiency for 3% damage increase....

... and this is a problem that must be QQed about?

The key here is "balance". They can't BUFF our existing talents/abilities without "DEBUFFING" existing talents/abilities. This sure looks balanced enough for me, considering the mana efficiency issue being touted about here only exists from level 50 (ToW talent minimum) to level 60 for itemization, and 62 for water shield.


There's a reason why most of us don't fill out Unrelenting Storm. For one, it sucks, and two -- we really don't suffer from mana issues. Most of the PvP shammies don't even TAKE ToW because it was so WEAK of a talent. Now it's actually WORTH speccing -- oh, AND it buffs and entire RAID. They're not going to design things specifically for us multiboxers, you know -- but even so, it's not a BAD nerf. It's just BALANCED compared to the overwhelming BUFFS we received.

I take it also that elmental oath does not stack either correct?

I'm assuming it does not effectively stack, since it specifically mentions "stacks up to 3 times".

[Suvega]

LOL!??

OR its because you wear mail, have Lightning CL NS Lightning + shock and can instagib?
or 4 heroisms
Or you can heal
or ????

This is a very shortsighted argument

[Naysayer]

I think you're overreacting to his reaction, calling him a QQer and all that lamesauce. He just got a little bummed about ToW and all it's current goodness going bye-bye for 10 levels or so.

I'm concerned about stacking tremor and grounding going away, if it does.

[Naysayer]

LOL!??

OR its because you wear mail, have Lightning CL NS Lightning + shock and can instagib?
or 4 heroisms
Or you can heal
or ????

This is a very shortsighted argument

rofl

[Dominian]

Totem of wraith?

Are you sure you dont mean totem of wrath? I cant any wraith totems on Thott atleast..

Do you really think he meant "wraith"?

"Totem of Wraith - New totem that will not stack"

TOW is not a new totem it just changed, so YES i wasnt sure what he ment?

[Naysayer]

Totem of wraith?

Are you sure you dont mean totem of wrath? I cant any wraith totems on Thott atleast..

Do you really think he meant "wraith"?

"Totem of Wraith - New totem that will not stack"

TOW is not a new totem it just changed, so YES i wasnt sure what he ment?

There's a new version of ToW, so that's why he said new.

[Dominian]

no he said:

Totem of Wrath - New totem that will not stack