Guilds and PvE Progress

[FunkStar]

After being rjected in prety much every hyjal/bt guild there is in this server, I figured i'd make a post and ask about your experiences with this.

I've been quin-boxing (4 ele shammies + holy priest) for a while now, mostly switcing to quadboxing (4 ele shammies) for any raids, and have proven myself in kara, za, timed za, gruul, magtheridon, ssc, tk and hyjal.
Not to brag, simple facts, top of the dmg charts, good listener, knows the tactics, and all that. I have a main (hunter) in a sunwell guild currently on Mu'ru, but I've recently been trying to get into a lower guild on my shamans.

Guilds however keep rejecting me for the simple reason that I'm boxing. Some of the reasons I've been given:

- 4 people sitting out to let 1 play is unfair
- This is all very new to us and would be distracting for our progress
- 4 elemental shamans in a raid is impossible
- playing 4 characters can never be effective

and so on. I got rejected from every single guild like that, even though some of them were actually looking for DPS on their recruitment forum.

How do you convince a guild to let you 'try' ? I've suggested taking them to a timed ZA, or joining one of their kara's or even bt/hyjals, but that simply got rejected as well.
I'd really love to raid on them rather than on my hunter, as it is getting extremely boring to play 1, when you can play 4.

wtb guild ;(

[Marathon]

Have you thought about making your own guild ?

[Kissell13]

Have you thought about making your own guild ?

Thats my plan

[Yamio]

The guild I'm in has made it well known that it is multiboxer friendly and because of that it seems we can't get new members to stay. I'm not sure why but I'm noticiing a pattern. Our charter clearly states there is a multiboxer within its ranks, but everytime I meet a new guildie in person, it's not too long after that they end up /gquit without so much a word.

It's funny, because in guild chat they seem to be having fun, getting along with everyone, cracking jokes, sharing stories, and just enjoying themselves. But then they'll need help and I'm normally the first one to come to somebody's rescue. I'll be damned that when I show up to meet our new guys face-to-face, they stand around gawking just like people do whenever they first encounter us.

It's not like we're meeting for the very first time. I make it a point to make a new guildie feel welcome because I remember what it was like whenever I joined a new guild.

Anyway, they'll take whatever help I give em. Maybe they'll throw in a thank you; maybe not. I'm cool either way with that. But usually within a few days they're gone.

As always I'm cordial. I don't make any rude or snide remarks or attempt to do anything which would cause them to leave. I don't want to upset anyone. No matter what, after meeting the multiboxer in person they leave.

I've stopped doing the RP thing between my crew because people have shown they kinda freak out about it. Even thou it's funny and sometimes interesting, AND can make folks laugh, (not to mention giving me the thrill of doing it), when they realize there is but one guy behind these 4 arguing/discussing/joke telling characters, people have a tendency to get really quiet afterwards. That kind of behavior on my part is not acceptable. We're trying to keep people; not force them away.

I hear you and feel for you Funkstar, but I'm afraid the others may be correct. Maybe it is time to create our own guilds and truly ride solo.

Keep us updated with your situation.

[FunkStar]

The thing is, the guild I'm currently in with my main, is very alt-unfriendly. That's also the reason I dont get to box there, becaues my 'crew' is a bunch of alts. That's why I was looking for a new guild in the first place.

It's not about the fact that they don't understand multi-boxers, I think, because some of them come to my weekly karazhan's and timed ZA events, and they're all loving it.
In my opinion, killing bosses prety much anywhere, with a boxer in the guild, should bring fame to the guild. I'm not quote sure why the people in your guild are leaving, would be weird if it was because of the boxing. In my main's guild, they're all really cool with it that I box, as I said, they just don't want alts in 'main raids'. This might be because they've known me for years before I started boxing though, as I have always been in that guild, since MC and the likes

As for starting an own guild.. I've done that once before boxing, but to be a true successful guild it takes even more time and devotion than multiboxing itself does. I'm not talking about some friend, chat guild that does kara/za, or even SSC/TK. To get to an archimonde/illidan farming state in a new guild takes a while unless its a merge of guilds of some sort.

I just find it so damn annoying that I don't even get a chance to show them the endless possibilities. I've even told all of them that I don't mind if i can only raid once a week, because I take 4 spots, or whatever, aslong as I can raid on my shammies "at all"

[FunkStar]

No people with similar experiences or any thought? ;(

[NoobShammy]

my old guild on doomhammer has a 5 elemental shammy team on it and is the best guild there. Singularity of Doomhammer Look it up

[Lorune]

I am not at a level yet that i can raid with my team yet. However i formed a guild on silvermoon with another boxer on this form with the intention of doing serious 10 man runs.

Yesterday i ran into another 5 boxer, hopefully once he gets higher and wants to do serious stuff he will join aswell *waves heya Hofone & crew*

But to even suggest to my current main guild to join their raids, i would be laughed at, since they are a very much min/maxing guild (set the new brutallis speedkill record last night), But that still doesn't stop me from starting a guild for my other toons. I will try to start out with 10 mans, then move to 25 mans, with a max of 5 toons per player, and a minimum of 2 per player.

I recon it will be idioticly hard to get enough people to do so, but i have a gut feeling that once we show some results in 10 mans, the people will come/transfer over.

Anyways to sum it up, i think unless your a officer in your current guild or get mass gquits in the nearby future i see little change of you raiding with all toons

[Otlecs]

4 people sitting out to let 1 play is unfair

This is a very, very valid argument and one I fully support. Given the authority, I would never allow a multiboxed character to take the place of an actual person.

I have never multiboxed in a guild raid, because there are plenty of proper bodies to fill the slots.

So if you're marching up to a guild and saying that you want to raid with all 4 shammies or none at all, then you're going to have a problem.

If, on the other hand, you were to apply as a SINGLE shammy and then, one day when they're short on numbers, just happen to mention that you could plug the gap with 2/3/4 if it will help the raid, then you're the good guy instead of the the bad guy.

In other words, perhaps the problem is that you're expecting too much? Get your foot in the door, make your mark, and then float the idea of multiboxing on those occasiosn when there aren't enough people around to create a viable raid.

[Bluepants]

I'm sorry that i have not repplied in this thread yet, i just havent noticed it.... :P
Here are my experiences : The Pants raid thread with tactics
And i have clearly stated that i will raid with all or none, i will not under any circumstances drop a pant in a MH/BT raid. (has happened once in SSC but i got DKP on all pants for it.)

I might have put the thread in the general forum, but i figured i could write my multibox experiences in there, thus making it a "advanced PvE tactics" thread

The guild likes me alot, im respected, and alot of people do as i ask for in raids. (GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM THE PANTS! on Kaz'Rogal ie.) I also put the time and effort in to this, reading tacs, grinding pots and so on.
I am always 100% focused under the raids, and it pays off, ive never fucked up bigtime (broken 2sheeps, EVER... And once accused of overaggro, but it was the MT that DCed)
The guild im in has made its progress from 2/6 SSc and 1/4 TK into 2/6SSC 1/4 TK 3/5MH 1/9 BT after i joined, so im not getting boosted, i work just as hard/harder as any other guildmember.
Learning tacs and watching movies is one thing, but doing it ingame is another when multiboxing.
For example Supremus, when a pant gets aggro, i run with my main with all 3 on follow... That does NOT WORK... I just ended up with a volcano spawning on my main, making the 3 alts take atleast 8000dmg each... Next time im there, ill send the pant with aggro on autorun in the direction i want supremus, keeping my dmg up, and avoid the volcano spawn smack on my group.

I wish you luck in finding your guild i have found mine..

Will keep my thread in the PvE forums updated next raid for me will be friday/sunday, hoping for an Azgalor kill on sunday, for some good old T6