Keyclone - $10 or $20?

[keyclone]

$100 is breaking the bank for a guy with 5 computers running 5 accounts? the accounts alone will run you $30*5 for the initial box.. then $75/month after that. and the computers were at least $1000 ea... so, you'd be spending $5000 + 150 + 75*3 for the first 3 months, or $5,375 total.

seems the $20 per machine is the cheapest part...

not to mention, most people play on 1 machine these days... as dual-core and especially quad cores have little to no problem 5 boxing. machine: $1200, 2 screen @ $300 ea ... 5*30 for BC and $75/month for 3 months... total: $2,175
tack on the $20 one time fee to glue it all together and that's a lot cheaper then 5 systems.

[JoKer76]

$100 is breaking the bank for a guy with 5 computers running 5 accounts? the accounts alone will run you $30*5 for the initial box.. then $75/month after that. and the computers were at least $1000 ea... so, you'd be spending $5000 + 150 + 75*3 for the first 3 months, or $5,375 total.

seems the $20 per machine is the cheapest part...

not to mention, most people play on 1 machine these days... as dual-core and especially quad cores have little to no problem 5 boxing. machine: $1200, 2 screen @ $300 ea ... 5*30 for BC and $75/month for 3 months... total: $2,175
tack on the $20 one time fee to glue it all together and that's a lot cheaper then 5 systems.

Your making a lot of assumptions in your post. I personally have 4 PCs and 3 LCDs which I have purchased over the past few years. And have not spent $1000 for any of the 4 PCs, I'm probably in for a total of $3 grand for everything ... Granted, $100 is not going to "break the bank" but it sure seems unreasonable when other people are getting the same experience for a lot less money. Charging people different prices for the same experience is adverse selection any way you look at it.

I understand you want to get paid for your work, and you certainly should. But I (like many others) prefer not to run my '2box' setup on my main PC because my main LCD is 28 inches. Running an instance on that monitor and a 2nd instance on another monitor seriously cripples my frame rates.

I'm not looking for a handout, or even saying that I wouldn't spend $40 for 2 licenses. But subsidizing the cost of extra licenses would only encourage more people to spread the word and use your software. Take it for what it's worth.

[kwal]

unfortunately, trials are the meat & potatoes of the crackers... (and yes, i already know... but why make it easy...)

Actually, it is ust as easy to crack a license as it is for a trial for a seasoned cracker. And if someone really wanted to cheat you out of it... well you already know.
You may lose a few customers by making a trial available, but I am telling you right now, you would gain way more.
I am sure there are plenty of people out there that would buy it, but are extremely hesitant because they don't want to dish out the cash in case it isn't what they expected -- no amount of high praise, or great reviews can convince them... they want to try it for themselves

What you could do instead is just strip out some of the code for the advanced features. For example have maximizer not customizable make it so it is only predefined areas.
Make it so the program doesn't automatically put in the username into the wow login screen... etc
if you put in a bunch of little things like that, that don't remove from your product, but add in a few annoyances people may be more encourged to buy your product

[icecore]

Yeah I bought 5 licenses before the price hike, but one of my pc's broke and I came back and woah it was twice as much. Its great software and I did get another license, but it'd be nice if you got some kind of discount if you bought in bulk.

[Vyndree]

Running an instance on that monitor and a 2nd instance on another monitor seriously cripples my frame rates.

Indeed -- the benefits that come from software boxing? Cost and space
The benefits from hardware? Performance and reliability.

Granted, a bunch of sh*tty computers compared to a brand new shiny quad core with tons of memory will be similar -- so individual situations will vary. But even dual-core "clone" machines will run WoW with more FPS than a quad-core fancy system.

In any case, keyclone is an option for multi-machine multiboxing, but it's not the only option. If you don't like keyclone's marketing strategy you don't have to use it. There are hardware options (i.e. a multiplexer or sync'ing one wireless keyboard to all 5 computers) or a couple free software solutions.

http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/inde...are_Comparison
Look under the "Multiple PC" column.

Yeah I bought 5 licenses before the price hike, but one of my pc's broke and I came back and woah it was twice as much. Its great software and I did get another license, but it'd be nice if you got some kind of discount if you bought in bulk.

You know that you could have just contacted keyclone to get your license updated to the new machine's system id... It's a lifetime license.

[-silencer-]

Actually, it is ust as easy to crack a license as it is for a trial for a seasoned cracker. And if someone really wanted to cheat you out of it... well you already know.
You may lose a few customers by making a trial available, but I am telling you right now, you would gain way more.

I've got to disagree with you here. One of my jobs was to keep on eye on the piracy front to watch for our software showing up and seeing what changes were made to the binary to figure out how the software was cracked. The easier you make the software to crack, the easier it is to find available through piracy. I'm not going to go out and state that it's possible to make uncrackable code - I'm a believer that just about anything done with software can be worked around, it just may take more time. Trials are incredibly easy to crack since it's easy to check the binaries for jumps to "registration checking" sections of the assembly code, then remove those jump sections. That's a major reason why nearly all EULAs specifically state it is illegal to disassemble the binaries - that's what usually needs to be done to crack code. Show some respect for what Rob's done for the community. If someone who's spending the money 5-boxing 5 machines has a complaint of a one-time cost of $100 (when they're spending $75/mo) and is unwilling to learn/use alternative software, they're pathetic for wanting something that Rob supports so well for free/heavy discount. As soon as exceptions start to be made, everyone and their mother is going to jump out of the woodwork demanding a rebate on the multiple licenses they've purchased.

[MaxD]

Yeah I bought 5 licenses before the price hike, but one of my pc's broke and I came back and woah it was twice as much. Its great software and I did get another license, but it'd be nice if you got some kind of discount if you bought in bulk.

Hmmm, Not sure why you had to get another one after your PC broke. I had 2 Issues where I was able to have Rob retrieve my license via my email. Did you bother to Email or IM him? He had no problems getting me mine back same day. His price is very reasonable if you consider what it does for your gaming experience. I got mine for 10$s a pop when I got them, but would have paid more, however I also have sent 7 people to purchase from Rob so I dont feel too bad only paying what I did. If I had to pay 20 at the time I wouldnt have flinched. PAY the 20 bucks man WELL WORTH IT

[JoeWunsch]

Charging people different prices for the same experience is adverse selection any way you look at it.

He isn't charging people different prices, the price increased. Companies are allowed to increase the price of software they sell...

If you don't want to spend 20 dollars, use octopus or AHK.

[Gaffy]

Basically what it all comes down to is one thing. Is it worth it FOR YOU? If the answer to that question is yes, then go get it, if no, then figure out another way. There are multiple methods to multibox, and they all don't work for everyone for whatever reason. You need to pick the one that works for you.

And as far as trial versions and bulk discounts, Rob can do whatever he wants to, it is his program, he wrote it, he supports it, he updates it. Remember that adding these "features" would give Rob more work, for potentially less profit.

[Berad]

Yikes, sorry to get everyone all worked up. I'm sure the program is worth the $20. I just had intentions of 2boxing mybrothers account while he waits for wotlk. I thought it would be something neat~ So i was gonna be cheap about it...