Focusless, targetless, 'leaderless' (FTL) setup.

[Maleick]

Thank you for sharing all this info, however while I thought I finally understood I am still unable to make this work like it should.

I am going to copy and paste my KCL files and perhaps I can figure out where I am going wrong.


I am running 4 shamans.

 
Maleick (1) ctrl 
Nurbok (2) alt 
Voon (3) ctrl-shift 
Lycoon (4) alt-shift 
*TF1-4 = Toon Follow 1-4 
*TT1-4 = Toon Target 1-4 
FOLLOW MACRO: Bound to " ` " on all toons 
/stopmacro [nomod] 
/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Maleick] 
[mod:alt,nomod:ctrl,nomod:shift,target=Nurbok] 
[mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Voon] 
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Lycoon] 
/follow 
/targetlasttarget 


ASSIST MACRO: Bound to " J " on all toons 
/stopmacro [nomod] 
/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Maleick] 
[mod:alt,nomod:ctrl,nomod:shift,target=Nurbok] 
[mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Voon] 
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Lycoon] 
/target [target=targettarget]

Maleick.kcl Loaded to Main Character on keymap region 1

Maleick 
k(74.0.0):hs(tt1) 
k(74.5.5):hs(tt3) 
k(74.16.16):hs(tt2) 
k(74.17.17):hs(tt4) 
k(192.0.0):hs(tf1) 
k(192.5.5):hs(tf3) 
k(192.16.16):hs(tf2) 
k(192.17.17):hs(tf4)

Nurbok.kcl Loaded to Alt 1 in region 2

Nurbok 
k(74.0.0):hs(tt2) 
k(74.4.4):hs(tt1) 
k(74.5.5):hs(tt3) 
k(74.17.17):hs(tt4) 
k(192.0.0):hs(tf2) 
k(192.4.4):hs(tf1) 
k(192.5.5):hs(tf3) 
k(192.17.17):hs(tf4)

Voon.kcl Loaded to Alt 2 in region 3

Voon 
k(74.0.0):hs(tt3) 
k(74.4.4):hs(tt1) 
k(74.16.16):hs(tt2) 
k(74.17.17):hs(tt4) 
k(192.0.0):hs(tf3) 
k(192.4.4):hs(tf1) 
k(192.16.16):hs(tf2) 
k(192.17.17):hs(tf4)

Lycoon.kcl Loaded to alt 3 in region4

Lycoon 
k(74.0.0):hs(tt4) 
k(74.4.4):hs(tt1) 
k(74.5.5):hs(tt3) 
k(74.16.16):hs(tt2) 
k(192.0.0):hs(tt4) 
k(192.4.4):hs(tf1) 
k(192.5.5):hs(tt3) 
k(192.16.16):hs(tt2)

I am going to take some screenies of how I have keyclone set up as well incase that makes more sense.

When I load all the toons up Voon (3) will follow or target but he will spit out a bunch of garbage and the others do nothing. If I PiP to Voon then Maleick(1) will spit out the garbage and the other two still do nothing.

I made sure Keyclone is passing the keys and they on are not on the DNP list. and none of the keys are bound to anything in Warcraft.

Thanks

[Maleick]

I fixed it. It was the spaces in the macro. It needs to be like


/stopmacro [nomod]
/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Maleick][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Nurbok][mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Voon][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Lycoon]
/follow
/targetlasttarget



I found it reading, thanks!

[Pocalypse]

I spent some time redoing my setup this morning, and wanted to share the fruits of my labour.

What I did was create all the .kcl keymap files from scratch using excel (or rather, google spreadsheets). I worked out what each key is that I needed (inside the keyclone file itself), and how the modifiers work.

The keys I have setup are 1-8 R T F G V
You can see what the hidden keys for each are in the top left of the spreadsheet.

It's kinda messy, but for those interested I'm sure you can figure it out.

The end result is, I can copy the values in columns P - T into a new text file (one column into each file) name them One.kcl Two.kcl etc, and they work in keyclone.

The spreadsheet is at link. Please go to the sheet names keymaps if it doesn't take you there automatically.

The hotstrings are named "key - client"

eg
' - Three
4 - Five
etc

Edit: Hmm, that kinda sucks, you can't see the formulas when viewing. Ah well, the end results are there if anyone wants them.

[olipcs]

Nice thing Pocalypse,
i think it will help out some keyclone-users quite a bit :) !

Btw.: Do you still use the initial idea of a master - and a slave-keybind in your new setup?
-I'm asking, cause I myself often simply use the same keybind (for example: my 'master' gets '1' my slave 'ctrl+alt+1'), as i often don't have the need for 'solo-bindings'.
-Some other things I changed in my setup, is getting rid of the 'targetless' and using more an 'target-and-hold' approach, which suites my PVE-setup more..

-I find it quite funny, like methods like this can 'evolve' (and sometimes have consequences I would have never guessed, like writing guides, using HKN instead of Keyclone and so on...)

[Pocalypse]

Yes, I still use the master and slave keybinds, mainly because I use the alt+1, shift+1 and ctrl+1 modifiers for separate abilities.

I've thought a lot of setting up a target and hold approach now that I'm doing instances again. If I can find an easy way to quickly switch between the two methods, I'll probably do it.
I'm mainly waiting on the patch now though, to see what macaroon 3.1 is capable of.

[olipcs]

Yes, I still use the master and slave keybinds, mainly because I use the alt+1, shift+1 and ctrl+1 modifiers for separate abilities.

yeah, i also use alt,ctrl,shift for seperate abilities in my macros, even with using the same master- and slavekeys.
This was one of the main reason for me using HKN, as you can us ralt,rctrl,rshift for the ftl-window-identifiers and lalt,lctr,lalt in the macros...

so for example my hunter dps macro looks like this:

/click MacaroonButton12
/castsequence reset=target/lshift Serpent Sting,Null
/cast [mod:lalt] Multi Shot
/castsequence Explosive Shot, Steady Shot, Steady Shot

with my ftl-targeting-and-hold-macro on MacaroonButton12 being:
/stopmacro [harm,nodead]
/assist [mod:ralt, ... (as ftl-mods as usual)

(In my HKN-Script i would add the following for '2' as my dps button:
<ApplyTemplate FTL "2" "2">
<ApplyTemplate FTL "lshift 2" "lshift 2">
<ApplyTemplate FTL "lalt 2" "lalt 2">
but this is better described here: [HotKeyNet] Implementing an FTL quite simple with templates )

If I can find an easy way to quickly switch between the two methods, I'll probably do it.

well, you could use the idea of switching ActionBars combined with the /click in the Macros for this (i do something simmilar to simply chnage between my trash/boss-dps macros).
What I mean is:
Lets say you create a 'paged' bar with macaroon (with only one button), on the first 'page' you create the normale '/assist'-macro on the second the target-and-hold-one (and on the third a focus-based approach for vehicles ;) ). The button should always have the same 'name' so you could simply refer to him in all your dps-macros regardless of which actual 'system' you are using.

[Pocalypse]

Interesting, I don't know why I thought WoW did not distinguish between left and right modifiers. This opens up a lot of possibilities.

That's a very clean method of switching you have, I'll try it out next time I have some time.

Though I really should just get to 80 before messing with this more .

[olipcs]

Interesting, I don't know why I thought WoW did not distinguish between left and right modifiers.

Well, this may be, because even WoW can handle lalt/ralt .. perfectly, keyclone can't (and because the majority is using keyclone it somehow got known, as WoW can't)!

[Pocalypse]

Keyclone distinguishes between lalt and ralt, at least in the keymap settings.

I've never tested to see if this actually works, although I will soon.

[olipcs]

Jep, in the settings it does, but I think there where several bugreports, that it doesn't send the right key,
like: [Keyclone] Right Alt and Right Shift with keyclone?
and [Keyclone] Modifer bug in keyclone? help
and since there isn't a new version since june 08, I think they are still exists