Focusless, targetless, 'leaderless' (FTL) setup.

[jeffz0rz]

I finally got this working. Took me 3 days of trying to figure out how to implement it, but it was DEFINITELY worth the time invested, makes boxing so much better.
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this!

[Anemo]

I'm looking at setting this up but what keys do most people use as the invisible macro keys? Using letters like 'i' seem to be the safest but does this impact on you soloing at all if you don't use those keys for any other function? I assume typing would still work fine.

I've had a look at the available keys and there doesn't appear to be that many without all the modifier possibilities.

[olipcs]

honestly, i can't realy tell, because in my approach i use the same key for master and slave, so its normaly something accessible like 1-9 and so on...
..but if i would use hidden keys, they would be mostly keys on the right side of my keyboard, as i don't use them for normal gameplay (like i,o,p,j,k,l,n,m...).
As Typing is concerned: When i have to chat i normaly (if i don't forget) stop keyclone from broadcasting, if i want to type a command to all my toons I also use the corresponding function in keyclone, so there would not be an issiue, i think.

[Poetry]

one quick question for those who seem to use the '/click actionbutton' method.

Does it work for you, and had you any problems?

-I'm asking, cause some users seemed to have problems with it.

I did finally get my /click to work. I had set up the key map for various modifiers on the [ key but then put my macro on the 7 key...gee, wonder why it didn't work? lol

Anyway, I thought I'd reply to this because as of the 3.0.2 patch, it stopped working. Well, to be more specific, it stopped working for 4 out of 5 toons, and only their assist stopped working...follow was just fine! Testing with "/say test" in my macro, it seemed that the key press just wasn't going through at all to the non-working toons. I re-examined macros and keybinds and keymaps for hours and couldn't find an issue anywhere! But it looks like server downtime can sometimes do a person good! In the back of my mind I kept thinking it was acting as if I had something bound to something else. But I'd checked keybinds over and over and even tried rebinding some keys just in case with no luck. Anyway, long story short, it looks like I actually have some phantom keybinds leftover from old mods I'd dropped with this patch. BT4 and Bindpad in particular. The mods are gone, the wtf files for them are gone, but the keybinds look like they have persisted in the bindings-cache.wtf file. Checking it a few minutes ago, I still have lines like "bind CTRL-SHIFT-7 CLICK BindPadMacro9:" in there. So I think I've found what's intercepting my key presses. Can't wait for the server to come back up to test.

Anyway, for anyone who is sure they've got it all right but it's still not working, might be worth looking for invisible keybinds. I'm sure lots of people changed bar mods and such with the 3.0.2 patch and it would seem that that can lead to some keybinding scrambles that might not show up in the Blizzard keybind ui. It's a theory anyway.

[echo]

To OLIPCS:

Hi Oli, thank you for your help, but my setup is like this

my cast macro is

#showtooltip starfire
/click macaroonbutton36
/cast [target=targettarget, harm] starfire
/targetlasttarget

and my follow macro was

/click macaroonbutton36
/follow
/targetlasttarget

so basically identical except for the /follow versus /cast line.
both are referencing my assist macro (which is on button 36), and it's this

/target [nomod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,target=wynterz][mod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,target=summerz][mod:ralt,nomod:rctrl,target=autumnz][mod:rctrl,mod:ralt,target=springz]

so there's no /assist line in there anywhere. yet the cast macro works fine, but the follow macro does not? i checked all keybinds multiple times because i thought it was a matter of me overlooking a previously bound key, but i'm sure that's not the case after checking the entire keybinding screen over multiple times.

I have since replaced my follow macro with

/target [nomod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,target=wynterz][mod:rctrl,nomod:ralt,target=summerz][mod:ralt,nomod:rctrl,target=autumnz][mod:rctrl,mod:ralt,target=springz]
/follow
/targetlasttarget

and now it works fine, but i'm no longer referencing the button36/target macro. it's not a big issue now since i got it working but just curious why 2 macros that are virtually identical, one would work and one would fail?

also, you mentioned that "As Typing is concerned: When i have to chat i normaly (if i don't forget) stop keyclone from broadcasting, if i want to type a command to all my toons I also use the corresponding function in keyclone, so there would not be an issiue, i think."
how do you do that? my understanding with the ftl system is that you basically have to have your wasd key on the do-not-pass list right? as such typing many commands like /camp doesnt work and i had to make a macro for it. what function do you use so you can type out commands to all accounts simultaneously? or do you just clear the do not pass list for that?


To Poetry:
Your problem sounds JUST like what i'm going through, only reversed. my /follow macro is the one that doesnt work while my cast and assist macro works ok. I was thinking it was a keybind issue also because of the inconsistent behaivior, but I had checked through all my keybinds using the ingame menu. I did not think to check the file directly. Please let me know how your theory tests out.

[olipcs]

also, you mentioned that "As Typing is concerned: When i have to chat i normaly (if i don't forget) stop keyclone from broadcasting, if i want to type a command to all my toons I also use the corresponding function in keyclone, so there would not be an issiue, i think."
how do you do that? my understanding with the ftl system is that you basically have to have your wasd key on the do-not-pass list right? as such typing many commands like /camp doesnt work and i had to make a macro for it. what function do you use so you can type out commands to all accounts simultaneously? or do you just clear the do not pass list for that?

î have, like you, aswd (and some other keys) on the do not pass list of keyclone.
But in keyclone you can set some overrides in the 'override settings', there i aadded keys for override (normaly Pause) to stop broadcasting at all, when i'm chatting and a key to override the do not pass list, for typing things like /camp on all chars...

hm, to your follow problem: honesly no idea, what you described should work

[Poetry]

Your problem sounds JUST like what i'm going through, only reversed. my /follow macro is the one that doesnt work while my cast and assist macro works ok. I was thinking it was a keybind issue also because of the inconsistent behaivior, but I had checked through all my keybinds using the ingame menu. I did not think to check the file directly. Please let me know how your theory tests out.

Just tried it out and I have success! I hit the reset button on the Blizzard keybindings dialog and redid all my keybinds from scratch. And what do you know, all five toons are now listening to orders again! To my eyes in the game the keybindings look just like they did yesterday, but on logging out just now the bindings-cache.wtf file is down to 1K from 6K. So I guess, in my case anyway, beware phantom keybindings!

[olipcs]

Quick-Cross-Promotion:

Anemo implementet the ftl with HotKeyNet: [HotKeyNet] Leaderless setup with HotKeyNet

its very promising!

[delafoo]

Day 5 into my failed attempts of setting up the followless system.

I've gone over my macros and stirings several times. I have noticed that there are maybe 3 or more versions of the macros here, with spaces, returns, semicolons, so maybe thats my problem. I wish I knew how to copy and paste my macros. I'm using 2 as my activator for my lightning bolt, and I as the hidden key as shown in the initial post.

Here is my macro on all my toons:

/assist [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Shockershama][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Shockershamb][mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Shockershamc][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Shockershamd][mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Shockershame] /cast [harm] Lightning Bolt /targetlasttarget

Keymaps are loaded as described in the op.

When I hit '2' nothing happens other than a start cast on Lightning Bolt, only on the current toon. When I hit I, I can see it activate an all other windows as I have the macro bound to a button an a macaroon bar... yet when I hit 'I" I get an Unknown Unit response when targeting a killable npc and hitting I.

Your help is welcome.



Thanks!



~BB

[delafoo]

Tried the /p %t is my Master and not getting any response.

I verified that keymap A is associated with shama and B with toonB... so I must have a hotstring error?

ShockershamA, Keymap saved as: C:\Users\Ben\Desktop\keyclone\lbta.kcl
Description: blank
key hotstring
2 lightningbolt.on.toona
LCTRL+I lightningboltontoone
LSHIFT+LALT+I lightningboltontoonc
LCTRL+LALT+I lightningbolt.on.tonbg
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+I lightningboltontoond

This is how my keymap looks for toonA, Shockershama. In the 'Command Editor' of Keyclone, I have the Keymap field set to load this keymap to shockershama upon loading (command is named wow1).

Keymap 2 for shockershamb. Saved as same as above but ends in\lbtb.kcl

Key Hotstring
2 lbtb
LCTRL+I lbte
LSHIFT+LCTRL+I lbtna
LSHIFT+LALT+I lbtc
LSHIFT+LCTRL+LALT+I lbtd

In all toons, I have the Lightning bolt spell loaded onto button 2, and the /p macro you suggested bound to a button on a seperate macroon bar, bound to 'I'.

Further suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks!

~Ben