Focusless, targetless, 'leaderless' (FTL) setup.

[hirahito]

The first thing you can'T use if you set it up like this are different slave and master keys, so you would loose the 'soloplayability'.
-This is not a big deal, and perhaps a thing which is no problem in your setup.
Another thing is, that (if i'm understanding the hotstring concept correct) you never would actual activate the follow-macro on the 'slave'-toons.

To give a demonstration what would happen if you use the same keymap, as you proposed:
Say your at the moment 'activ-played'-toon is ToonB and you want the other toons to follow him, so you hit 'Tilde'.

In a setting with different keymaps:
The keymap of toonb would contain the hotstring "'tilde' ---> followB" and this hotstring would be evaluated for each toons keymap and for all of them mapped to 'Shift+Ctrl+Tilde'. Because of the mapping 'Shift+Ctrl+Tilde' would be send to all 'slaves' and because of the follow-makro they would select ToonB to follow.

If you use the same Keymap for all:
There is no simple hotstring like "'Tilde' --> followX" so a simple press of TILDE wouldn't activate any hotstring and nothing happens, if you would want that your toons follow ToonB you would have to press ''Shift+Ctrl+Tilde" manualy by youself (which is impractical) and you wouldn't need any hotstrings at all.

OK. Let me address each of these in turn.

Solo play - Unaffected. Here's why.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you're soloing with ToonA. ToonA presses the tilde key for follow and gets a LCTRL+LSHIFT+LALT+TILDE. If you'll notice, the macro for the follow on ToonA ignores this combo, so the follow key would do nothing. Macros for, say, Lightening Bolt would NOT have a /stopmacro [nomod] at the beginning, but they wouldn't have the [target] line for CTRL-ALT-SHIFT, so it would just fall through to the /cast Lightening Bolt.

Thus, solo play would be unaffected.

MULTI-BOXING. In this example, you say ToonB is in control and I'm hitting follow (tilde). In my mapping, this equates to CTRL+ALT+TILDE. This is sent to ALL of the boxes, so A, C-E all start following B, as planned. Ah. I see your point. Since the start of the macro is /stopmacro [nomod], it won't stop and it will try and /follow itself. The first line needs to be /stopmacro [nomod][mod:ctrl,mod:alt] which will make it ignore the follow command.

I'll make sure and make that change. Thanks for pointing it out.

I'm not sure I understand your example. What is your follow key?

The reason for different keymaps is because your current toon will always want the key you press to send to some other key with modifiers on the other clients. I don't see how you can avoid that.

The key I press for follow is the TILDE key. (top left, next to the 1 key on my U.S. keyboard). And yes, I did get around the need for the changing keymaps. All of my programs in KeyClone use a single Keymap, it's the MACROS that change on each machine. The macros basically ignore it if it's an action they don't need via the /stopmacro function, or they process it by allowing the /target line to fall through without changing anything.

Since I posted this at work, I didn't have my exact macros. I'll go in and try and get exact working macros and my keymap and post the examples up here in the next day or so.

I post it merely as an alternative to Deceased's and your work - if you guys hadn't gone down this path, I would never have gotten the idea to do this.

-- Hirahito

[Pocalypse]

OK. Let me address each of these in turn.

Solo play - Unaffected. Here's why.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you're soloing with ToonA. ToonA presses the tilde key for follow and gets a LCTRL+LSHIFT+LALT+TILDE. If you'll notice, the macro for the follow on ToonA ignores this combo, so the follow key would do nothing. Macros for, say, Lightening Bolt would NOT have a /stopmacro [nomod] at the beginning, but they wouldn't have the [target] line for CTRL-ALT-SHIFT, so it would just fall through to the /cast Lightening Bolt.

Thus, solo play would be unaffected.

MULTI-BOXING. In this example, you say ToonB is in control and I'm hitting follow (tilde). In my mapping, this equates to CTRL+ALT+TILDE. This is sent to ALL of the boxes, so A, C-E all start following B, as planned. Ah. I see your point. Since the start of the macro is /stopmacro [nomod], it won't stop and it will try and /follow itself. The first line needs to be /stopmacro [nomod][mod:ctrl,mod:alt] which will make it ignore the follow command.

I'll make sure and make that change. Thanks for pointing it out.

I don't understand this line: I'm hitting follow (tilde). In my mapping, this equates to CTRL+ALT+TILDE.

In order to do that, don't you need a Tilde --> FollowB hotstring? And an equivalent for each toon?

[Frosty]

Thus, the macro(s) would be the only thing that needed to change. I find the macros easier to modify, myself. Making 5 different KEYMAP files for KeyClone was making me want to stab my eyes with an icepick.

I've set up my keymaps one time, and all I do is change the toon names in my macros for each group. (copy/paste FTW!).
The spreadout keymaps I posted don't even require macros to be altered.
I'm using OLIPCS's method, where I only have one macro for /follow and one for /assist, so it makes setup very quick. In fact, I set up a new group of 5 last night in about 10-15 minutes.

I'm also confused along with Pocalypse.. I'm pretty sure you are going to need a hoststring for:
~ -> Follow_X on each of your client keymaps to broadcast what the other clients should receive/translate into for their keypress.

[davedontmind]

First off, thank you poca and deceased, and all the rest for this thread/topic/ability. Absolutely insane stuff and very exciting no matter how hard it is at first. After swimming around with different approaches and failures for a while, I decided to just implement the 'follow' feature. If for nothing else than making collection quests much easier, and switching leaders for fun...

I have read through as much as I could before I was surely going blind and did not see this as a problem for anyone else, but let me know if I missed it ::: My toonA gets the 3 others to follow no problem. toonB gets toonA to follow her, but C+D just type into party chat or /say the [mod:alt] stuff. Then toonC+D get everyone to follow except toonA who says the [mod:alt] stuff.

I have a feeling that its something really minor like spelling or spacing. But i tried the FTL with just 2boxing at first and it worked and I felt like i grasped it. Throw in 2 more boxes and BAM, lol. I'll keep at it. Any thoughts?

Check your macros on all toons. I expect you have some extra new-lines in there (I had this problem too!).

e.g. instead of:
/target [mod:shift,target=ToonA][mod:ctrl,target=ToonB] ...

you have:
/target [mod:shift,target=ToonA]
[mod:ctrl,target=ToonB] ...

The macro editor wraps lines, and it can sometimes be hard to see real new-lines as opposed to line-wrapping.

[olipcs]

Check your macros on all toons. I expect you have some extra new-lines in there (I had this problem too!).

I also would suggest this as the reason you have problems.
To be correct: in most examples the macros are splitted in seperate lines, this is only for better readability!
If you copy-paste the macros you must make sure every /cast , /target ect. is only one line...

[Ticks]

Whomever added the "Shorten macrospace / simplify group changes" section to the Wiki, could you please elaborate on how it works for you? I suspected it couldn't work and spent some time testing the method and I just don't see how it could work. Using /click Actionbutton12 doesn't work because the modifiers aren't passed to it. I have to say though, it would have been a nice set up.

Please take a moment to explain how you got the modifier keys passed to the /click Actionbutton12 macro. I'd like to remove this section from the Wiki because it would cause people to waste time trying to implement it.

[alfa]

Hi,
I was trying to understand this great idea. well , after a few hours of mind blowing i come to this point.
I have 3 toons. paladin , mage and shaman. I am trying to make a keaderless follow macro. my main key is ` and hidden key is ' . On my paladin my 2 other toons follow her. But when i am on mage on shaman follows and when i am on shaman only mage follows. My paladin doesnt accept others to be leaders Any idea what might be wrong ?

thanks

edit : When i am on paladin screen and i hit ` i see on both mage and shaman that ' key is pressed but when i am not on paladin screen and when i click ` i dont see it click ' button on paladin screen and it click on mage or shamans screen.
edit 2: Just reliesed that on my paladin the combinations with alt key doesnt work. but a key binding with alt+] is working :S

[Frosty]

Hi,
I was trying to understand this great idea. well , after a few hours of mind blowing i come to this point.
I have 3 toons. paladin , mage and shaman. I am trying to make a keaderless follow macro. my main key is ` and hidden key is ' . On my paladin my 2 other toons follow her. But when i am on mage on shaman follows and when i am on shaman only mage follows. My paladin doesnt accept others to be leaders Any idea what might be wrong ?

thanks

edit : Wwhen i am on paladin screen and i hit ` i see on both mage and shaman that ' key is pressed but when i am not on paladin screen and when i click ` i dont see it click ' button on paladin screen and it click on mage or shamans screen.

If you are sure you have your keymaps set up right, it might be worth checking to see if your "hidden" key is bound to something else with modifiers.
For example, if you use the first post in this thread, your hidden key is "]". But it requires that no other keybinds are using any combo of modiriers with it.

ToonA:

2 --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT
Ctrl-] --> LBET

You would need bind "]" somewhere on your actionbar and put the follwoing macro in there.
(it sounds like you have this set up this way now):

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonA]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonB]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=ToonC]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=ToonD]
[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonE]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget

If you are using Bongos for your action bar, the easiest way to unbind all the modifiers is to type /bongos and bring up the menu.
Got to keybinds (I think, it may be just bindings) and then, somewhere on an empty button slot, enter in all of the combinations of modifiers with "]".

Example, Shift+], Alt+], Shift+Alt+]...all the ones that are in your keybinds and macro.
Once you have done that.. hit Esc (or delete) over the same button you put all those into, and it will unbind them all.
Now make sure you still have just "]" in the action bar with your macro.

[alfa]

I changed the key to ; and now my shammy is not following my mage around :S my head is about to explode...

[Eloxy]

Hmm....my slaves does waht my leader do and spam the macro ingame, but when im on my slaves trying to cast sumthing nothing happens exept for the macro to be spammed in /s...

anyone know wahts going wrong here?

Im running this in keyclone atm and i think thats not the problem, i think my problem is in my ingame macro posted further down.



ToonA:

2 --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT


ToonB:

Ctrl-alt-Shift-] --> LBAT
2 --> LBBT
Ctrl-Alt-] --> LBCT
alt-shift-] --> LBDT


ToonC:

alt-Shift-] --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-shift-] --> LBBT
2 --> LBCT
ctrl-alt-] --> LBDT


ToonD:

ctrl-alt-] --> LBAT
alt-shift-] --> LBBT
ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
2 --> LBDT







/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Eiöxy]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ëioxy]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Elöxy]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Eioxy]
/cast [target=targettarget,harm] Lightning Bolt
/targetlasttarget